Johnny Depp

[prisma]

The GOP House Judiciary twitter account posted a triumphant clip of Johnny as Jack Sparrow right after the verdict was read. For me that's a crystallization of how all nuance about this case is out the window and it's about the triumph of men over those lying, manipulative bitch women.

[cubanitafresca]

Jun 3, 2022 0:44:31 GMT -4 Ridha said:

Jun 2, 2022 22:28:48 GMT -4 cubanitafresca said:

Maybe it’s because they worked together? and hey! They may even be friends! So maybe he's trying to be a supportive friend.

cubanitafresca yes I’m aware they worked together thanks very much, but not everyone that works together ends up being friends, sometimes quite the opposite, and I was merely expressing my surprise that they would have developed a friendship out of that, since Amber seems toxic and Momoa does not. It does not mean they ‘can’t’ have a friendship, but it also doesn’t mean that an observer can’t judge or be surprised at said friendship.

V interesting that another poster deciding that Depp being friends with Marilyn Manson means he isn’t a decent man is ok, but my being disappointed in Momoa - who I still think is decent - for having such poor choice in friends, results in this sarcastic irritated response.

You really can't see the difference between Amber Heard and Marilyn Manson? Or the difference between someone just clicking a like on a social media post and a 35-year friendship? Because for all her issues and toxicity, Amber Heard isn't even in the ballpark of Manson. Marilyn Manson is in no way a decent person. The man has decades of abuse allegations against him. And they aren't all just "allegations" he actually bragged about assaulting a woman in his own autobiography. In fact, the book is filled with stories of very questionable sexual encounters with women. And that book is 20+ years old - and he hasn't gotten any better since. He's a predator plan and simple.

[Ridha]

It’s not about Marilyn Manson, it’s about the idea that: the company a person keeps/friends they keep/causes they support/people they give a standing ovation for/people they stonily faced keep sitting for, are all historically valid topics for commentary, whether on here or IRL. I’m really not going to get into comparing Manson and Heard with you. It’s simply not the point.

[Neurochick]

Jun 2, 2022 15:57:35 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Jun 22, 2021 13:36:50 GMT -4 Ridha said:

Is this a new strand of supporting women where one is determined to make cool as cucumber women out as Stockholmesque victims?

Yes, but it's not a terribly new thing at this point because it's pretty widespread, at least on the internet.

Woman says she was abused = believe her.

Woman says she was not abused = call it a "maybe" and assume she probably was abused. She's either still in love with her abuser and doesn't want to admit she was abused, or she just doesn't understand yet that what she experienced was abuse, or she was below the age of 25 so she's not competent to make her own decisions and therefore everything is abuse. I've seen all of those implications directed at Johnny's exes, especially Kate and Winona Ryder, who people seem determined to make into victims whether they agree to it or not (and neither of them does, for the record).

Mar 13, 2005 12:45:42 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Yes, but it's not a terribly new thing at this point because it's pretty widespread, at least on the internet.

Woman says she was abused = believe her.

Woman says she was not abused = call it a "maybe" and assume she probably was abused. She's either still in love with her abuser and doesn't want to admit she was abused, or she just doesn't understand yet that what she experienced was abuse, or she was below the age of 25 so she's not competent to make her own decisions and therefore everything is abuse. I've seen all of those implications directed at Johnny's exes, especially Kate and Winona Ryder, who people seem determined to make into victims whether they agree to it or not (and neither of them does, for the record).

This is a very good point.

I don't think that people should believe ALL women no matter what, but I do believe that if a woman says she was abused it should at least be investigated to see if it's true or not. I think the fear today is that these cases will not be investigated AT ALL and that women will not be believed no matter what.

I personally think both of them were abusive to each other and should stay away from each other forever.

[magazinewhore]

I find it interesting that few seem to be considering Ellen Barkin's take of Depp's personality. She said he was a jealous ass who was prone to rages. Maybe his personality declined as he's gotten older (as often happens with addicts). Maybe Kate Moss did experience a different, less-violent Depp, and Heard and Barkin, a worse one.

His career has basically been resurrected by this trial. He should be thanking Heard. Suddenly (and inexplicably) he's "back." No thank you. I think it was common knowledge he was a narcissist boob with anger issues before this trial who could occasionally be a sweet heart and likes performing for children. I see nothing that changes my opinion of him.

That said, I'm ill at the online vitriol aimed at her right now. Just wow. It's Hilaryesque. When people hate a woman, they really, really hate her.

[hildymatildy]

My brother was abused pretty badly by my sister in law. She would push at him, yell at him, and use her body to keep him from leaving. She would throw things at him, attack him with wire hangers, she even broke her foot with a bowling ball in one of her firey episodes.

She knew just how to push his buttons to make him mad. No one is a saint and when pushed he yelled back. If he tried to defend himself or move her out of the way when she was trying to keep him from leaving she would accuse him of abuse, call the police, and have him arrested. My brother defended himself the best he could physically without hurting her, but you bet he did shitty stuff like breaking things and saying mean things because... That is what a male domestic abuse victim looks like!

When listening to Johnny and his behavior during the court case, I found his behavior toward Amber's abuse to be very similar to my brother's.

His wife was always telling people that she was a victim of domestic abuse, but I witnessed so much of her abusing him and pushing, inviting, taunting him to hit her, and when he wouldn't, she would hit him, then use his attempt to protect himself as proof he was an abuser. She even went so far as to hiding a recorder in the kitchen and recorded a fight. You can hear her at a distance hysterically crying, "Get away from me! Don't touch me! Ow ow ow!" Then my brother's voice as he stood across the kitchen from her in a confused tone, "I'm not even near you!" She said "Ugh fine!" Then you hear her stomping across the kitchen and turning off the recorder".

I am not saying Johnny is faultless, but often people do things they wouldn't normally when pushed and from my experience his reactions are what male victims of domestic violence look like. They are different than women so expecting them to act like them or saying "they were abusers too" is sexist and ridiculous.

I think Johnny is full of himself and toxic more to himself than anyone else which is why he ended up in such a sick relationship. But I believe him. I think Amber was and is the aggressor and only a victim of her own mental illness

It is Amber who has hurt women, because each time a woman abuses a man then tells the world she was the victim, she is the one who makes it difficult for women who really are victims and SHE has just made it harder for women to be believed. And she deserves every last ounce of hate and vitriol pointed at her and effing more!! Just like any other abusive person!

[Ginger]

I think many people, especially the media, are conflating the circus around the trial and how Johnny's fans are reacting to the verdict with what actually went on at the trial. The jury was not presented with a meme contest to decide, and their verdict did not declare Johnny to be a good person.

I think it was an excellent decision to have cameras in the court, because the media is not reporting in good faith about the testimony that took place, and the cameras don't lie.

Mar 12, 2005 15:27:38 GMT -4 magazinewhore said:

I find it interesting that no one seems to be taking Ellen Barkin's take of Depp's personality. She said he was a jealous ass who was prone to rages. Maybe his personality declined as he's gotten older (as often happens with addicts). Maybe Kate Moss did experience a different, less-violent Depp, and Heard and Barkin, a worse Depp.

I think they all experienced the same person. It's well established that he rages and breaks things, just as he did in the video Amber took. Jennifer Gray apparently says in her book that he was really jealous when they were together briefly too. I think Winona Ryder also has stories about Johnny having dramatic meltdowns. The worst to come out of it is Ellen Barkin saying he actually threw something AT her (a wine bottle), but I don't think any of that proves that he's someone who daily punches a woman to within an inch of her life.

One of the legal experts who has been commenting on the case says it came down to credibility (of course) and Amber really destroyed her credibility by exaggerating. Her story of being kicked or punched in the face so many times that she lost count would support attempted murder charges, whereas the documentation of her injuries, when there even were any, supported misdemeanor battery at best.

Had she stuck with the original claim she made on Day 1 that Johnny had thrown an iphone and it hit her in the face, that was infinitely more believable and consistent with Johnny's past behavior than where she wound up.

[hellsbells]

Jun 3, 2022 8:46:40 GMT -4 prisma said:

The GOP House Judiciary twitter account posted a triumphant clip of Johnny as Jack Sparrow right after the verdict was read. For me that's a crystallization of how all nuance about this case is out the window and it's about the triumph of men over those lying, manipulative bitch women.

Oh yeah. For them it's a repudiation of #metoo and embracing toxic masculinity

[scarlett210]

Jun 3, 2022 8:46:40 GMT -4 prisma said:

The GOP House Judiciary twitter account posted a triumphant clip of Johnny as Jack Sparrow right after the verdict was read. For me that's a crystallization of how all nuance about this case is out the window and it's about the triumph of men over those lying, manipulative bitch women.

Pretty much. Whatever Amber did or didn't do, Johnny Depp is still an abusive, misogynistic, drunken piece of human shit and yet he's on some kind of vaunted victory tour with obsessed fangurls, media and sheep like celebrities worshiping his every move. It honestly makes me sick.

[Nysha]

I follow gossip more here than anywhere else, but I do subscribe to the Washington Post and when I read the op-ed I assumed it to be about Johnny Depp. Going into the trial I thought this would be a slam-dunk win for Amber Heard, but the more I watched, the more I came to believe that just about everything that came out of her mouth was a well-rehearsed lie.
At about week 4 I started watching The Behavior Panel and they were very certain that Amber lied or exaggerated the abuse claims. Earlier, I watched a video on another lawyer channel, but the comment section was so revolting toward Amber that I quickly noped out and didn't read any more comments about the trial. I also didn't read or watch any other social media about the trial during the trial.

Mar 13, 2005 12:45:42 GMT -4 Ginger said:

The worst to come out of it is Ellen Barkin saying he actually threw something AT her (a wine bottle), but I don't think any of that proves that he's someone who daily punches a woman to within an inch of her life.

Ellen Barkin didn't testify that he threw a wine bottle AT her or that he was fighting with her. He was fighting with someone else, she was standing on the opposite side of the hotel room with other people, and he tossed (her words) the bottle in that direction.
I have no doubt that he's an angry, jealous, narcissistic asshole. If Amber had written that he was verbally abusive, scared her by violently trashing rooms when he was angry with her, and physically hurt her on the times she had some photographic evidence, I would have been all in for her. But if he was as physically abusive as she claimed she would have been hospitalized and/or had a lot more visual proof. Johnny had proof that she physically abused her and was able credible enough to the jury that they found in his favor.
I don't think this trial is important enough to destroy the progress women have made about having their abuse claims heard. My sister was murdered by her abusive boyfriend, my daughter is in an abusive marriage, and personally, I think both Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are both abusers. But I also think the jury verdict was correct based on the evidence presented in court.