Johnny Depp

[Ginger]

Jun 22, 2021 13:36:50 GMT -4 Ridha said:

Is this a new strand of supporting women where one is determined to make cool as cucumber women out as Stockholmesque victims?

Yes, but it's not a terribly new thing at this point because it's pretty widespread, at least on the internet.

Woman says she was abused = believe her.

Woman says she was not abused = call it a "maybe" and assume she probably was abused. She's either still in love with her abuser and doesn't want to admit she was abused, or she just doesn't understand yet that what she experienced was abuse, or she was below the age of 25 so she's not competent to make her own decisions and therefore everything is abuse. I've seen all of those implications directed at Johnny's exes, especially Kate and Winona Ryder, who people seem determined to make into victims whether they agree to it or not (and neither of them does, for the record).

[cremetangerine82]

Jun 2, 2022 14:26:39 GMT -4 Ladybug said:

Nov 29, 2021 1:38:37 GMT -4 cremetangerine82 said:

Moss has denied that the incident happened.

She is also on record stating that her breakup with Depp was emotionally devastating.

Moss was present at a concert that Depp performed at recently.

I don’t know what to make of this, since Amber Heard is a habitual liar, I don’t know if the incident between Moss and Depp ever happened. However, it is not uncommon that survivors of abuse will still support their abuser and mourn the end of the relationship even years later, but so far she has categorically denied the incident happened.

I watched Kate Moss's testimony and I believe her. She slipped on wet stairs and he carried her to their room and got her medical attention. However, Amber claiming this was a widely known rumor was new to my ears, and I've followed celebrity gossip for ages. Depp later testified that he'd told Amber about the incident with Kate. So maybe the rumor actually started with Amber? She twisted it to serve her story? That's why I asked if anyone else heard the rumor before the trial. I think Kate Moss was devastated for years about their breakup because she was deeply in love with him.

Here's a list of all the celebrities who've liked Johnny Depp's post-verdict statement

Celebs who liked Amber Heard’s post

Selma Blair

Jason Momoa

Sarah Steele

This post will be updated.

I believe Kate Moss wasn’t pushed down the stairs by Johnny Depp. However, I mentioned that some survivors of domestic abuse will deny that the abuse happened because of various reasons. I’m just pointing that out not just to be a a blind #BelieveAllWomen supporter, but just to emphasize that the dynamics of domestic violence are extremely complicated because human beings are extremely complicated. I do concur that Moss was probably not physically abused by Depp. So that’s what I make of this situation.

[Beyle]

Jun 2, 2022 20:24:32 GMT -4 cremetangerine82 said:

Jun 2, 2022 14:26:39 GMT -4 Ladybug said:

I watched Kate Moss's testimony and I believe her. She slipped on wet stairs and he carried her to their room and got her medical attention. However, Amber claiming this was a widely known rumor was new to my ears, and I've followed celebrity gossip for ages. Depp later testified that he'd told Amber about the incident with Kate. So maybe the rumor actually started with Amber? She twisted it to serve her story? That's why I asked if anyone else heard the rumor before the trial. I think Kate Moss was devastated for years about their breakup because she was deeply in love with him.

Here's a list of all the celebrities who've liked Johnny Depp's post-verdict statement

I believe Kate Moss wasn’t pushed down the stairs by Johnny Depp. However, I mentioned that some survivors of domestic abuse will deny that the abuse happened because of various reasons. I’m just pointing that out not just to be a a blind #BelieveAllWomen supporter, but just to emphasize that the dynamics of domestic violence are extremely complicated because human beings are extremely complicated. I do concur that Moss was probably not physically abused by Depp.

Punching walls, destroying hotel rooms, and admiring the likes of Brando, Hunter S. Thompson, and being friends with the likes of Marilyn Manson isn't someone I would call a decent man and want to be around.

He has serious issues, and these seem to be ignored because people really hate Amber for whatever their reasons.

I'll also note that the murderous little shit, Kyle Rittenhouse, was ecstatic about the verdict and seems to be threatening suing others for defamation against him.

[cremetangerine82]

Jun 2, 2022 20:43:10 GMT -4 Beyle said:

Jun 2, 2022 20:24:32 GMT -4 cremetangerine82 said:

I believe Kate Moss wasn’t pushed down the stairs by Johnny Depp. However, I mentioned that some survivors of domestic abuse will deny that the abuse happened because of various reasons. I’m just pointing that out not just to be a a blind #BelieveAllWomen supporter, but just to emphasize that the dynamics of domestic violence are extremely complicated because human beings are extremely complicated. I do concur that Moss was probably not physically abused by Depp.

Punching walls, destroying hotel rooms, and admiring the likes of Brando, Hunter S. Thompson, and being friends with the likes of Marilyn Manson isn't someone I would call a decent man and want to be around.

He has serious issues, and these seem to be ignored because people really hate Amber for whatever their reasons.

I'll also note that the murderous little shit, Kyle Rittenhouse, was ecstatic about the verdict and seems to be threatening suing others for defamation against him.

Also, Depp has had a history of assaulting people, such as a security guard in Vancouver in the 1980s, a paparazzo in the 1990s, and a crew member on one of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. He’s really not well, and now this verdict will give him no incentive to change for the better.

Also, Rittenhouse can please fade into obscurity, I do not care one bit about his opinions about anything.

[Beyle]

Jun 2, 2022 21:44:40 GMT -4 cremetangerine82 said:

Jun 2, 2022 20:43:10 GMT -4 Beyle said:

Punching walls, destroying hotel rooms, and admiring the likes of Brando, Hunter S. Thompson, and being friends with the likes of Marilyn Manson isn't someone I would call a decent man and want to be around.

He has serious issues, and these seem to be ignored because people really hate Amber for whatever their reasons.

I'll also note that the murderous little shit, Kyle Rittenhouse, was ecstatic about the verdict and seems to be threatening suing others for defamation against him.

Also, Depp has has had a history of assaulting people, such as a security guard in Vancouver in the 1980s, a paparazzo in the 1990s, and a crew member on one of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. He’s really not well, and now this verdict will give him no incentive to change for the better.

Also Depp was a spendthrift by owning multiple houses, an island, etc., which explains where all his money has gone. No one else is responsible for that.

I liken Depp to Charlie Sheen (who's also an alcoholic and a drug addict). Charlie got away with his bullshit for as long as he did because remained a consummate professional and didn't allow his drug abuse and alcoholism affect his work, until it did, and he was fired. He's kind of faded away since that "Tiger blood" nonsense (and despite being on Anger Management). I think Depp's bad behavior caught up with him, and that's the real reason he's lost work opportunities. It's not the fault of any of the women he's been involved with over the years. That's all on him. Maybe this will prove to be a kind of hollow victory for him.

[cubanitafresca]

Jun 2, 2022 15:36:52 GMT -4 Ridha said:

Damn really? Disappointed in Momoa. He seems to be a decent no bs guy. Surprised to know he would like Amber’s ludicrously out of touch with reality attempt at still manipulating the narrative statement.

Maybe because they've worked together? He actually knows her? and hey! They may even be friends! So maybe he's trying to be a supportive friend.

Punching walls, destroying hotel rooms, and admiring the likes of Brando, Hunter S. Thompson, and being friends with the likes of Marilyn Manson isn't someone I would call a decent man and want to be around.

He has serious issues, and these seem to be ignored because people really hate Amber for whatever their reasons.

And one of those hotel rooms he destroyed during a drug fueled fight with Kate Moss. If she says he didn't push her down the stairs - I believe that. But her relationship with Depp was toxic too.

Honestly, I'm just sick of the Depp apologists. Did he deserve to win that court case? I'm no lawyer, so maybe so. What I don't get is the notion that she was the sole cause of his career problems. He was showing up late, messed up to work and threatening the crew. So, putting it all on Amber makes no sense. That man's life had been a mess for decades.

But worst of all is the notion that he's some poor sensitive abused soul who is totally blameless in the relationship. It is laughable and defies reality. That relationship was toxic all the way around, there's plenty of blame for both of them.

[Ridha]

Jun 2, 2022 22:28:48 GMT -4 cubanitafresca said:

Maybe it’s because they worked together? and hey! They may even be friends! So maybe he's trying to be a supportive friend.

Punching walls, destroying hotel rooms, and admiring the likes of Brando, Hunter S. Thompson, and being friends with the likes of Marilyn Manson isn't someone I would call a decent man and want to be around.

cubanitafresca yes I’m aware they worked together thanks very much, but not everyone that works together ends up being friends, sometimes quite the opposite, and I was merely expressing my surprise that they would have developed a friendship out of that, since Amber seems toxic and Momoa does not. It does not mean they ‘can’t’ have a friendship, but it also doesn’t mean that an observer can’t judge or be surprised at said friendship.

V interesting that another poster deciding that Depp being friends with Marilyn Manson means he isn’t a decent man is ok, but my being disappointed in Momoa - who I still think is decent - for having such poor choice in friends, results in this sarcastic irritated response.

[hellsbells]

Momoa defending Amber when nobody else is defending Amber feels totally on brand for Momoa. (I mean that in a good way.)

[Mutagen]

Not sure if I agree with 100% of this article, but it touches on the media/internet manipulation of this case that's incredibly disturbing regardless of who you think is "more" guilty: Why the Depp-Heard trial is so much worse than you realize (Apologies if this has already been posted)

The narrative of the trial has been shaped in part by what appears to be, according to multiple researchers, an army of bots spreading rhetoric favorable to Depp. One researcher found more bots favorable to Heard, but said most of those bots were from third-party apps trying to capitalize on the trial; meanwhile, they found the highest pro-Depp bot post was shared nearly 20,000 times. The work of those bots has been further amplified by “men’s rights activists” — the part of the far-right-leaning extremist “manosphere”...

Conservative media outlets have also promoted a one-sided narrative of the case; Vice recently reported that Ben Shapiro’s popular conservative news platform the Daily Wire has spent nearly $50,000 promoting ads about the trial on Instagram and Facebook — most of it trashing Amber Heard. The presence of these bad actors has, if anything, only exacerbated the vitriol Heard has received within the mainstream.

Trial memes — almost universally weighted against Heard — have taken over every corner of the internet, from TikTok to Twitch to Etsy. ... On TikTok, for example, totally unrelated accounts seem to have given themselves over to full-time Depp-Heard trial mockery, to the point where the actual substance of the testimony seems completely irrelevant beside the need to mine the proceedings for entertainment. Sure, Amber Heard cried while on the stand, but did you see how ridiculous she looked while doing it?

Most of the reporting on these memes has placed the blame for their sensationalist tone squarely on the evolution of fandom content creation. But recall that the white supremacist alt-right movement has a long history of memeifying everything they want to normalize and legitimize, and keep in the forefront of your mind that the alt-right latched onto this case as its bulwark long before fandom and the internet at large did.

It's the "memeifying" that really gets me. Like regardless of who you think is guilty or innocent of what, I can't get over how it's simultaneously treated as a joke/entertainment and yet also deadly serious that Amber is The Worst Person Ever To Walk The Earth. Feels very "two minutes hate" to me sometimes. 

My personal prediction is that in about 10 or 15 years, some documentary or thinkpiece is going to revisit this case, and it's going to generate a lot of handwringing about the internet frenzy about this. And people are going to act like they had no idea what was going on or how it happened. 

[sugarhigh]

Really interesting article Mutagen, thanks for posting it.

Really fascinating to me are the people who insist that these bots had no effect on their views of this case, even though we know how good bots and memes are at manipulation.

I wondered why and how this case became such a cause célèbre and this article helps explain it.