Brokeback Mountain

[thesurlymermaid]

Well, just got back from my second viewing of this wonderful film. This time, I took the surly merman and he enjoyed it as well. We both agree that Heath Ledger was just sublime, and merman thinks Gyllenhaal deserves an Oscar as well....and Lee, and the cinematography, and just the whole freakin' movie.

And I agree.

Something really cool...we sat through the credits and surly merman proudly pointed out to me that his law firm did all the legal work on the film! It's in the credits, and despite having to pee, we both waited to see it. Totally awesome.

[thesurlymermaid]

admin said:

Okay...this is probably more for the TMI thread, than this thread...but one thing I wondered about. In the tent when they had sex (no, I"m not spoilering that), it seemed to go okay. I was wondering...if you're a guy and you've never had that sort of sex w/ another guy, would the first time really go that smoothly? I would have thought that the first time for something like taht would be super painful unless you used tons of lube...but in the movie, it didn't seem to be a problem.

Hunter? Swan Flake? Bueller? Bueller?

Yeah...TMI, TMI.

I wondered this exact same thing. It seemed to go rather smoothly, but maybe because it was rather forceful? I'm curious to know this as well.

[huntergrayson]

What, you automatically just assume that the gay posters will have all the answers about anal sex? I find that discriminatory! How dare you! (sorry, residual effects of Crash.) One of the reasons I don't do that too often is because of the amount of lube and level of prepwork involved to make it fine for both parties - so, no, it probably wouldn't go that smoothly in real life, that's why it's the movies. Ennis did try to attempt to use some rural 1960s equivalent of lube, though, with the spitting in the hand. So that probably helped - at least he knew it needed some assistance. If he took the plunge (so to speak) all at once, it might be better as well, given the circumstances. Yeah, probably very painful on Jack's end (hee! ) but Ennis was smart to prep a little and just, ahem, ram it home with gusto. I think anything else would've made it worse, oddly, given such limited means.

Then there's the obvious fanwank of Jack being a total power bottom and being loose as a goose up there. Even if he never had been with another guy, I could see himself, uhm, exploring and "working the area" on his own for his pleasure.

But mostly, Ang is not the type of director to have Jack screaming bloody hell before moans of contentment in the scene. And that would've really pushed the "too graphic" button for the easily freaked out family members.

[newtothis]

Hi, I've been a longtime lurker on PCMCoP since the other site went down, but this is my first post.
Just wanted to give my BBM experience.

Where I live BBM opened on March 9th and I got to see it yesterday. The theater was nearly full with twenty- and thirty-something straight (well, presumably) couples and groups of friends. I saw it in a theater that shows movies only in their English version without subtitles and the majority of the audience was non-native speakers which surprised me.
All lot of people cried during the second half and/or the end of the movie. I was spoiled, because I had read the story and this thread and I had to fight my tears back.

So, now on to the movie. I liked it very much and I think it did justice to all the characters - Ennis, Jack, their wives. And it was so sad because there wasn't a side to be on. Everyone of them was so understandable in their actions and behaviour.
I know Heath Ledger has been praised the most for his performance and I found him very good, but I thought Jake Gyllenhaal was even better. ( Maybe it's just because I could relate more to him or because I find him the hotter one of the two. )

And one more thing, all the articles I read in papers here about the movie didn't focused on the gay cowboy thing, but described it more of a story of people not able to deal with their own feelings. They are isolated not only from the world for being different but more from themselves.

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newtothis said:

And one more thing, all the articles I read in papers here about the movie didn't focused on the gay cowboy thing, but described it more of a story of people not able to deal with their own feelings. They are isolated not only from the world for being different but more from themselves.

Yeah, it's very interesting to see how different cultures react to the film. Where do you live newtothis?

[Ripley]

Brokeback Mountain author is pissed off that BBM didn't win Best Film Oscar.

Man, I can't wait until I'm 70 and can spout my opinions any old time.

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Whoa! She calls the L.A. crowd "dim" and the academy "insufferably self-important." Now, if Brokeback Mountain had won, would she still hold those opinions, or were the opinions formulated because it didn't win? (Obviously a rhetorical question.)

I hate sore losers. Plus, if the Academy and the L.A. denizen are so far below you, why would you want to be rewarded by them?

[anne]

ripley said:

Brokeback Mountain author is pissed off that BBM didn't win Best Film Oscar.

Man, I can't wait until I'm 70 and can spout my opinions any old time.

She's upset that Lionsgate sent out so many DVD copies of Crash as part of their campaign, yet most of the blame for BBM not winning is being placed on the number of voters who didn't see it. Perhaps the anger would be better placed on the fact that more copies of BBM weren't sent out?

She's also upset that BBM didn't win the Oscar ... from a group of insufferable self-important oafs? Why would you want recognition from such a horrible group?

[kostgard]

She's upset that Lionsgate sent out so many DVD copies of Crash as part of their campaign, yet most of the blame for BBM not winning is being placed on the number of voters who didn't see it. Perhaps the anger would be better placed on the fact that more copies of BBM weren't sent out?

I think they are two separate issues - one is that Lionsgate bombarded the Academy members with DVDs of 'Crash" so they voted for it instead of any of the other nominated files when "Crash" was considered by many to be the worst of the bunch. The second is that a lot of them (supposedly) refused to see BBM because it is a "gay" movie, not because no one sent them a copy of it.

But all the same, you certainly don't help your argument any when basically call a bunch of people stupid and then complain that they weren't smart enough to chose your film.

[newtothis]

Yeah, it's very interesting to see how different cultures react to the film. Where do you live newtothis?

I'm in Vienna, Austria. And media coverage for the movie really started here only after the Golden Globes.

I haven't seen Crash, so I can't say if it was less deserving of the Oscar. But I'm sure homophobia was a reason BBM didn't get it. Somehow it seems while both movies have very controversial subjects, still virulent in society racism is the one that people are more used to being discussed and shown. ( Ugh, that makes it sound like a competition. )