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[preach2thechoir]

SnarkyFish said:

Preach It! Thank you for the minor correction. Though I think even though Puff's poor mama worked hard for it, by her sweat the Puffster by and large enjoyed a comfortable life and never was left to really live "ghetto" or be a ghettoboy.

He was a paper boy when he was young, which also contributed to the family income in addition to his mom's 3 jobs. He didn't come up in the projects because his mother was able to afford a home in a middle class neighborhood. So while he wasn't dirt poor his mom worked her ass off for a number of years, which is probably why he is such a work horse/achiever. So I give big ups to his mom for setting the example.

I still, however, resent PShitty for pimping the gullible children who grow up in poverty with no role models.

[snarkyfish]

I hear ya Preacher. Big heart to you and ITA.

But I really don't agree with the way Sean Combs decides he's going to build a whole career mimicking and exploiting stereotypes to benefit himself. Yes I know it says more about the psyche of the fools who fell for that shit than him. But still! Isn't it okay to be a successful and enterprising black man and be somewhat educated and not be trying to hide behind some "I'm a harmless fool" bling, bling minstrel show!!!

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I saw a blurb on A List that he is cruel to animals--threw a puppy from the roof of his Village townhouse.

[snarkyfish]

You must not have read the pigeon story on the old thread. It was funny as hell.

Apparently Puff had some pigeons caged for half the night at one of his parties and the birds just didn't look comfortable or happy. The guests at the party started chanting "Free the pigeons!!!" or some shit. Ha! I bet the only chanting Puffy expected then would have been for him to spin some records as he is accustomed to doing and just make the crowd dance. Not some radical anarchist outcry about him being one a cruel sonofabitch to have had an idea to use pigeons/doves in his party special effects.

[roxpopuli]

'P Diddy?' It sounds like a child's name for explosive diarrhea or pissing in the corner out spite.

Monster Zero, I renew my offer to have your snarky little babies.

From da hood? Bitch, please! Have you seen his clothing line? It's like one, long commercial for the Black GAP. "He was wearing my Harvard tie. Like sure, he went to Harvard." You'd think he did looking at his clothes.

[snarkyfish]

Just thought about the "throwing a puppy from a building" accusation and thought it right through. My conclusion? Doesn't sound like Puffy. He's not into just torturing animals for fun - unless it's to promote his false image or set off a party or some other shallow self-beneficial shit Puffy does not ever! waste his time doing anything else.

Puffy is too busy making money and promoting his businesses to have time to be idly torturing puppies and drowning kittens.

And Puff doesn't do ANYTHING!! unless he has shrewdly calculated that he's going to get some real money from it. He is a business man. And when he's not being a business man he's being a business man.

The only exception to this is his genuine desire to learn and prove he can act. And maybe his charity efforts. Otherwise it's just about his money and doing some business.

By the by I remember reading a year or two ago that Puffy sold Badboy Records? Or am I just getting confused with the sale and takeover of Russel's Def Jam by some major record company that happened then and just going crazy and imagining shit and projecting onto Puff? Honestly I don't remember it too clear. When I heard Puff was concerntrating on giving a good performance as an actor in a Broadway performance of Raising Arizona I remember assuming that now he has no business commitments in the way he did before he could probably afford to focus on his dream of being a decent actor. Maybe I'm smoking to many drugs and hallicunating? I don't know where I got it from that Puff no longer owns, controls and runs Bad Boy Records? Or was it that he no longer wholy owns it but he does still run it?

[preach2thechoir]

SnarkyFish said:

I hear ya Preacher. Big heart to you and ITA.

But I really don't agree with the way Sean Combs decides he's going to build a whole career mimicking and exploiting stereotypes to benefit himself. Yes I know it says more about the psyche of the fools who fell for that shit than him. But still! Isn't it okay to be a successful and enterprising black man and be somewhat educated and not be trying to hide behind some "I'm a harmless fool" bling, bling minstrel show!!!

I couldn't agree more. Its okay to promote yourself without the negative stereotypes attached and I think overall that is what I detest the most about commercial hip hop. Somewhere along the line it morphed from being about social issues to Krystal (sp?) bling bling and the glorification of thug life. So I could never admire PShitty, or Monkey Simmons for what they have done to get where they are, which is pimp and pander to the most desperate and vulnerable of cultures.

*getting off of soapbox*

[snarkyfish]

I would never say that Black culture is or ever was desperate!

What I would say is WHITE culture was really over eager for some diversity and would accept any ridiculous stereotype of "blackness" and play it on the radio. They are the one who were desperate.

Puffy and his calculation to manipulate was aimed at white folks. And they fell for it like he predicted they would hook, line and sinker. They actually thought and assumed he was a real rapper and shit. And that is exactly how Puffy planned they would think. Then he just sat back and racked in the money.

Yeah, yeah. He is one true fucking player - to quote Biggy.

It just revolts me how Puffy's take on society was actually right. That you can play a ridiculous stereotype and people actually do believe that shit because they really do believe that every black mofo is like that!!! And a black mofo who is also a hiphop label owner? Oh yeah!! even more so!!!

[preach2thechoir]

SnarkyFish said:

I would never say that Black culture is or ever was desperate!

What I would say is WHITE culture was really over eager for some diversity and would accept any ridiculous stereotype of "blackness" and play it on the radio. They are the one who were desperate.

Puffy and his calculation to manipulate was aimed at white folks. And they fell for it like he predicted they would hook, line and sinker.

While I agree that he may have been targeting White Kids and they indeed fell for it, at the end of the day the plot extended itself to the masses of Black children who have become casulaties of his deception.

The white kids at my sons very exclusive private school love PShitty, commerical rap and the whole hip hop persona. They dress the part and listen to it on their IPODS but at the end of the day they go home to their 500K mansions in their exclusive suburbs and the whole culture is dismissed until they feel like listening to some more bull-shit.

The Black victims I speak of? They don't have those choices, they have no role models and are living the life that commercial hip hop glorifies. Many have probably even called their sisters and mothers bitches and hoes and each other niggas because after all its cool, right?

That's what I resent the entire cycle of degradation that it represents in our culture.

[snarkyfish]

I do not agree. Black kids don't buy Puff Daddy!! and never have! Since when? Noone is attracted to him or even mentions him. It's only on this thread that I get reminded that Puffy's out there perpertrating and being a fraud to the mainstream white masses. Otherwise no black people - or young black kids especially - pay attention to him. They remember Biggy and Tupac and shit and that is only if they are supa-obsessed with the hiphop industry history. But "We Aint going Nowhere!"? and other Puffy solo ventures? No.

Noone cares about Puffy outside the mainstream. And if any fool is left thinking otherwise they better be woken up and informed it's all a myth!

Any black person who would suggest otherwise and set off the the warning sirens over it would IMO sound a bit like our poor Bill Cosby. And we know how deluded and hypocrital that fool is. And that he is just like a racist police official or something listening to hiphop and misinterpreting and exaggerating every word to provide evidence dammit!! that all the blacks are "evil" and "ignorant" and shit. That they are just a mass of easily misled idiots or something. Not dissing you or any average Joe or Jane that fell for it. Just recounting here how it reminded me of something Bill would say and hold the entire black community responsibile for and then go on to chastise the whole community in an hour long speech saying the "youth" don't have values and are embarassing the elders and all that nonsense simply because he's old and has been completely left out and doesn't understand anything past his own generation.

I am really against all things that portray Puffy as "ghee-tto" or even remotely believable in his efforts to be seen as" ghetto". Coz it's not true on both counts. He is not ghetto. And then he is not even beleivable as ghetto. He's just not! Noone except the really terminally stupid ever believed that crap.

And Puffy Daddy and his opportunitist faking of the funk have nothing to do with real hiphop at all. It's just like saying to me Asslee Simpson is real Punk Rawk!!!! and extrapolating that to mean that it must be believed her and her stupid are a real and dangerous eminent threat to the history of Rock n Roll!. Noone believes her as for real anyway. How the hell is she relevant to anything beyond a conversation about lipsynching?

Puffy is what he is. No black people believe his hype. Just because white people/media do doesn't make him a threat to Black Culture!