Nicole Kidman

[amara]

I don't think she cares much at all for her kids. I'm sure she loves them the way most of us love our extended family, but I don't get the sense that it goes much beyond that. She's spent years living in another country. I've never heard of any custody disputes or any attempts from her at getting them away from Tom if she's so heartbroken over them being raised as Scienos. And her obsession and constant need to talk about "Nicole's Heartbreak" over not having a baby is downright bizarre to me when I realize that the woman has two children already. I don't think she considers them really "hers" like a "real" baby would be.

[Deleted]

I'm still not a Kidman fan but I am compelled to defend her when her affection/concern for her children is questioned....

Of course she loves her children, but she's a suppressive wog and they are being taught/turned against her, despite what I believe is her great love for them. Clambo and his Family Clam Clan are so cruel, twisted and wicked, I'm convinced they are teaching them DAILY that she is persona non grata because she refused to succumb to the incubus cult.

The few photos they allowed to be taken of them with the children were some of the sweetest mother/child photos I've seen. I remember how she protectively cradled them close as infants, as toddlers, and even as adolescents. The woman says she didn't want to talk about it because it is probably extremely painful and unpleasant to do so.

It isn't fair to judge her harshly with regard to her children's love, especially given the fact that Clambo walked out on her and their children without warning and without remorse. That shows just how mean and evil he is, so you know he's done everything possible to turn her children frpm her because he could.

[jaghetersimon]

Can anyone ink to pics of Nicole with the kids when they were little? I don't remember ever seeing them.

[Deleted]

There weren't many; however, I saw a couple on Rex Features back in the day. One was of them on a boat or at a resort. Maybe, if Rex Features is still online, you can do a search there and find the few that there are.

[amara]

Sorry, I just don't buy it. I never thought she was an attentive mom. And her attitude towards her kids now is just weird. And it's not like she's some poor little farm girl Tom married and dumped. She's a multi-millionaire with a ton of power and support behind her, and I've never seen her use any of it to try and win her kids back from this super abusive and "evil" home they're currently living in.

[plush]

gee said:

It isn't fair to judge her harshly with regard to her children's love, especially given the fact that Clambo walked out on her and their children without warning and without remorse. That shows just how mean and evil he is, so you know he's done everything possible to turn her children frpm her because he could.

I'm no Cruise fan, but had he been as evil as you say, she wouldn't say she still loved him or would the children still be with him. And I am past the point where I excuse Kidman being nice to Tom because she's scared or because she doesn't want to hurt her children. Then, how about not commenting at all since he never comments about her either?

Anyway, I'm pretty much where amara is. I think she loves them but I think she's made her peace that they're Scieno royals and they will never be her children. They're Scientology property first, then Tommy's, then her's and I don't think she's overly distraught over it but is rather trying to move on and put all her energy in the new family she has. Imo, she truly believes Tom is a good father to them, despite his strong culty beliefs and that she will be there if the kids need her. I don't know what is going on between Nicole and Tom and why the parentship shifted in his favor after the divorce and I can't judge her harshly if fighting and getting their kids out of the cult meant going against Scienos and Tom since we all know what they're capable of doing. I just wish I heard her talk about the kids more as if they're still a presence in her life.

[Deleted]

What would you suggest she do? And how do you know that she hasn't exerted any force to win her children? Not to make excuses for her but the cult is quite pervasive and willing to do whatever to protect The Second Coming of Lafayette Hubbard (Clambo). IMHO, she's caught between a rock and a hard place. Not to mention Clambo's crazy mean-spiritedness.

It isn't my intention to be contentious but I believe that sometimes we act as if we're close friends to these people, such that we have the intimate details of what they do and don't do in matters like these. It isn't as if she's ever lived her life as a mother before the paparazzi like, say, Britney Spearss.

Based on what little I've seen of her and the children together, I'm unconvinced that she is a neglectful parent. Of course, I have no proof that she isn't neglectful, but I have no proof that she is either. So I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt based on my observations from afar.

plush, what you say makes sense; she's most probably made at least a partial peace with the fact that she's lost them to the cult. As for what she says about Clambo publicly—if she loves her children as you and I believe she does, what good would it do to publicly say ugly things about him? If she is trying to win them back, how could saying he's a bad father and that she dislikes him bode well for her winning them?

As I said, she's caught between a rock and a hard place. I don't know that she believes he's such a good father; in fact, it's a contradiction in terms if, as I suspect, he is teaching them that she is a suppressive whom they must avoid. A good father wouldn't do that. Just because he has the financial means to do whatever for them doesn't make him a good father.

[amara]

I don't think she's neglectful. I think she's moved on and doesn't consider them to really be her kids. Honestly, if there was this vast conspiracy blackmailing her and keeping her from her children and Tom is totally evil and mean-spirited and a horrible father? Then I have an even worse opinion of Nicole as a mother. Because I don't care how much is stacked against you, if you felt your children were in danger, you'd fight for them, even if you had no chance and were outnumbered and had no money or power. Which, again, is NOT the case with Nicole. She's filthy rich and their mother. She might hate that they're growing up Scieno, but not enough to do anything about it.

[Deleted]

Some mothers do and some mothers don't. That still doesn't compute to her not loving them and no one said they were in danger, at least not physically. Perhaps mentally and definitely spiritually in danger, but I contend that she does what she can. Money doesn't always equate to power. Besides that, they're now adolescents who are at an age when they can make certain decisions for themselves. Given that they've been raised in the cult their entire lives, it could be that they've chosen to spend little time with her, since it goes against the cult's teachings for them to be with her.

Also, I have yet to post that he is a "totally evil and mean-spirited and a horrible father;" I posted that he is that in general as a person; that doesn't mean he's like that with them. OTOH, overindulging and allowing them to be brainwashed by a cult, IMO, is bad parenting, but to him and to Kidman that may not be the case.

I rarely comment in this thread precisely because it often ends up with her being called a bad mother who doesn't care enough to do anything about the control Clambo and the cult have over their children.

Having been in a situation where I was taken from my mother at a young age and my mom had to fight to get my brother and me back, even though we had no contact with her and didn't know she was fighting for us until we were older, I have strong feelings about people saying she doesn't care enough about them to fight for them. From personal experience, I know that this isn't necessarily the case. Just because we're not privy to her efforts doesn't mean she's not making any.

In my case, to this day, my mom has regrets about what happened with us and she says—and I believe—it is because the people who kept us from her broke our bond with her because we were so long when we were forced to choose beween her and others. I later found that all the things that my mom and our relatives on her side of the family had sent us for birthdays, holidays, whenever, were hidden from us, including cards. I know this because I found them in the attic of the paternal relatives we lived with shortly before we were reunited with our mom. Gifts and such we never saw and were never found.

Obviously, YMMV, as to whether she tries hard enough or cares enough to try. I choose to believe that she does.

[Deleted]

At the end of the day Nicole is their legal mother and has rights. Whether she chooses to exercise those rights is the real question IMO. CTC or the clams could have dirt on Nicole. But by that logic Nicole must have just as much, if not more, dirt on Tom so I can't buy the excuse that she's this innocent victim.

For some reason she's chosen to let her kids be raised as clams and primarilly by Tom. Could it be that she just doesn't feel connected to the kids? Could it be that it has something to do with their divorce settlement, in which it's been reported that she got over 100 million dollars? I don't know. Whatever her reason she's still had a choice and her obsession with talking about how desperate she is for a biological baby certainly suggests she's not overly concerned with how her public statements may affect her kids. No, there's nothing wrong about her wanting a baby. But there is something very wrong in constantly talking to the media about it as if you don't allready have two kids.