Celebrities & Scientology

[chiqui]

US media insiders are whispering that Tom Cruise's recent odd behavior can be explained by the actor recently coming off his ADD medicine.

I think this is 100% true. I had an ex-boyfriend who I suspected had ADD, and he acted much the same way -- mercurial mood changes, inappropriate displays of emotion, inability to concentrate, couldn't make good decisions, etc. Like Tom, he wasn't on meds, and was dependent on a cultish religion to keep him in line... though this, from what I saw, did not do him a hell of a lot of good. I was in the religion too at the time, and even I saw that. Finally he finally got it together enough to graduate from college, but only after Herculean effort and tons of support (and $$) from a sympathetic relative.

[angel17987]

I think it's interesting how into the religion the members seem to get. In most religions, you have people that believe in it, but aren't heavily practicing. Like I'm Presbytarian, but I rarely go to church. I don't even know how to spell Presbytarian. My best friend is Catholic and she goes to church whenever she can and believes in the teachings, but she's not devout to the point where she can't see any other perspectives. With the scientologists, especially the celebs, they are so heavily involved. There's no halfway, you're either 100% into it or your not a member. Granted, in every religion you have people that take it incredibly literal and can be scary, and there's nothing wrong with being heavily involved in religion, but I think a lot of people are flexible to some extent with what the religion teaches them. However, the celeb clams don't bend at all, it's like you can't just take a small part in it, you have to be heavily active in it and embrace every single thing about it. That is evidence of a cult is it not? Does this make any sense?

I searched on the internet for Hilary Swank/Scientology and didn't find anything. Is she definetely one? I sincerely hope not for some reason.

[brinksteria]

q99 said:

From popbitch:

US media insiders are whispering that Tom Cruise's recent odd behavior can be explained by the actor recently coming off his ADD medicine.


SO....how many vitamins do you think they're shoving down his throat to make him sane again?

If it's true that Tom Cruise just got weaned off ADD meds, then it adds a nasty layer of hypocrisy to the war he waged against psychiatry. I mean, how lovely, Tom. Do your utmost to keep psychiatric care/medicine from folks in need ... set up a tent peddling such nonsense at your workplace ... while you, yourself, enjoy the benefits of ADD meds.

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I doubt he's ever been on the meds in the first place. But that would explain it. I mentioned in the Tom Cruise thread that I've been on Ritalin since I was a kid. Nowadays, if I don't take it, I just feel very, incredibly sleepy, and really can't concentrate on anything. But when I was younger, hooboy. I'd be bouncing off of walls. If he's got untreated ADHD, that would explain everything.

angel17987, I don't think $cientology really allows you to be lax-if you're in it, you're in it 100 percent.

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There were some photos floating around of Clearwater and it looks like a lot of the businesses were closed or in disrepair.

I doubt that Cruise or any celebrity even knows about the body thetans.

I thought about this, too... I thought that they were protecting Cruise from the higher level weirdness so that he'd know just enough to be reaping the positive benefits. But I've been doing a lot of reading, for instance the Jesse Prince tapes and if you can wade through a lot of the sci terminology, there are some notes in there about celebrity scns. Some of it was quite surprising... namely that Tom has tried to leave scientology a few times and always managed to get roped back in. Particularly after the OTIII levels, where they let you in on all the Xenu alien stuff, Tom was looking kind of pale and peaky and wanted out, wanted to just "go back to his house in hollywood and forget all this sci stuff" but they backed him off the OT stuff for awhile "hey Tom let's go play bball or watch a movie" and then petted and feted him right back in. The transcripts said that Tom had pretty much gone psychotic after the OTIII levels but I think the more conventional way of looking at it was it was freaking him out over how batty it was to the point of an almost nervous breakdown.. "going psychotic" makes it sound like he read the super sekrit manuals too early and they made him go koo koo like the cult said it would.

There was also a hilarious bit in there about how Tom told the scis that his dream was to run over a field of wheat grass with Nicole Kidman, when he was wooing her on Days of Thunder. So, these poor joe schmoes had to slave away for weeks building a grass field out in the middle of the desert so that Tom and Nic could prance over it. I don't know if it's true, but it's hilarious stuff nonetheless.

According to the tapes, Tom's way up there and blew through his levels in the course of like one season; he's at the same level as that woman who's shadowing Katie.

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I don't understand how this woman shadowing Katie can be taken w/ a grain of salt, while other non-Scienos are dumped from a clam's life for being supressive. Isn't being told what to say and do constantly being pretty supressive? Or, is it only supressive if it's keeping you from being the Ultimate Clambake?

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I wonder how Nicole managed not to get sucked in.

[sueli]

How would they determine "psychotic" behavior if they don't believe in any psychotherapy or terminology? Or am I misunderstanding that point?

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Psychotic wouldn't be the term that the sci's would use... nor would they know how to treat it. They have a cultariffic term for when people go batshit and lose their marbles, and supposedly they aren't treated, they're "handled" or thrown into some kind of lock up.

I was just musing on what the ex-sci meant when he said that Tom had gone "psychotic." To me, it just sounded like he had had enough and wanted to leave... that the stuff he was dealing with was too batshit for even him to believe. Wanting to leave isn't really a psychotic break. (Getting engated to Katie Holmes is. Heh) The ex-sci made it sound like the hypnotism/OT levels/etc. literally made him have a psychotic episode, but I think he was just majorly freaked out and wanted to leave for saner ground. But I could be wrong.. some of the stuff sounds weird enough to induce an episode.

[colette]

Cults like Scientology specifically attracted people who are that dangerous combination of stupid and messed up that sometimes equals spontaneous combustion. I have no problem believing that the reason that Tom was so interested in becoming a priest was because he had serious psychological issues. (If you look at the demographics of the men who actually want to become priests in the modern Western world, it's a little frightening. I have nothing against Catholicism; my family's been Catholic since long before we came over from Ireland, but it's not news to anyone that men who are willing to make the sacrifices that priesthood demands are few and far between in this day and age.) Catholicism didn't work for him, for whatever reason, but leaving the seminary left him bereft of a belief system that would answer all his questions. Then Scientology came along. People who have trouble understanding the world for themselves are often attracted to cults and conspiracy theories because it makes them feel like a) they now have access to knowledge others don't and b) there was a reason they didn't understand the world before.