Conspiracy Theorists Unite!!!

[bklynred]

JFK's assassination just seems ripe for conspiracy theory. Didn't happen in my time but there was so much happening at the time... It's ruined the term grassy knoll for me forever. And book depository.

[tszuj]

I believe David Kelly (not the one who made Ally McBeal) was murdered, too. He was the British scientist who was the UN weapons inspector in Iraq. He went to the press anonymously claiming the British government had knowingly added "dubious" claims to the WMD dossier, which ultimately led to war. He was outed as the source for that story, it caused a huge scandal, the government ordered an inquiry, then he suddenly "committed suicide" in the most bizarre way (went for his daily walk while preparing for his daughter's wedding and was found dead in a local wood with a relatively minor cut on his wrist from a blunt knife and little blood on the ground).

As conspiracy theories go it's not really that out there as many people and newspapers think he was murdered, but it's still really shocking.

[december]

I love this thread- I am not on for conspiracies really- but I like what if? scenarios that make you think. I do believe it is possible to an extent. My grandfather was a SIS agent (well he tells us a furniture salesman) and if you get the right type of people, the kind who really do believe in doing things for the greater good in a high risk job that builds an culture of us v. them, contracts that contain non-disclosure and national security clauses, its really quite easy.

It would not surprise me if U93 was shot down-even before I heard stuff in this thread about debris and all that. David Kelly thing is just horrible and yeah he was killed-none of the events really sit right.

What about Princess Diana theories?

[Smilla]

Know what's strange? Princess Di is about the only major death I haven't formed some kind of opinion about. Maybe because I, um, sort of, kind of...loved her work. One of my favorite public figures ever. I actually keep meaning to dig around and find out what the respectable conspiracy researchers have to say about it, but I haven't managed to really motivate myself.

[MrsCatHead]

YAH! I'm all into conspiracy theories.

I love watching political documentaries and stuff about the government. The truth is out there!

[AuroraStar]

Also, Larry had taken out an enormous insurance policy on WTC 7, which he'd bought only six months prior. It's shady, at the very least. He fought the insurance companies to get his full payout, saying that each building was a separate attack.

This actually isn't quite true. Yes, an insurance policy had just been contracted for, but it wasn't in place when 9/11 happened. They were still negotiating on what the policy would say and how things would be covered. In fact, I took Insurance Law last year and we read the case deciding the outcome. It was long and complicated and we read it wholly because the insurance policy hadn't fully been fleshed out and in place when the towers came down: it was a lesson in deciding what would be covered and how the loss be paid for in these situations, and whether the contract (which didn't say what the owner was arguing in court) or the plans for the final policy language (which would have said what the owner wanted and was arguing in court) would be followed. I don't see why he would cause the towers to come down when his new insurance policy wasn't even fully in place. It would have been incredibly risky if they followed the contract language.

And as for the Bush Administration being responsible... I fully admit I'm Republican so maybe my opinion on this is being colored, but I find it hilarious that people seem to think Bush is the stupidest man alive and yet was able to plan this grand scheme and pull it off well. I don't see how the Incredible Imbecile side jives with the Evil Mastermind side.

[berrybearie]

I’m not generally a big believer in CTs, but they can be fascinating.

A friend of mine once told me about how his whole family, aside from him, believes tons of CTs, e.g., the world is controlled the Illuminati and the Rothschild family, and all kinds of far out stuff. My husband has a coworker who’s convinced that planes emit chemtrails of dangerous chemicals that are deliberately produced and covered up by the government. You oughta hear her rant.

I do believe that it’s well within the realm of possibility that the U.S. govt. (even with a changing cast of characters over many decades) could keep all kinds of secrets under wraps. My father was a soldier in the Korean War and he said that reports of the U.S. strafing its own troops were true (there were also reports from the Vietnam War), and my uncle was an agent who spied for the army in Cold War East Germany. Partly as a result of their stories, I’m open to considering stories about the govt. being up to no good.

[Binky]

I don't see how the Incredible Imbecile side jives with the Evil Mastermind side.

See, I don't believe the conspiracy theories, but the one thing that makes me go 'maybe' is the idea that he and his cronies played a role, but the Incredible Imbecile aspect farked it up so thoroughly that they didn't get the outcome they wanted. I can more believe that they screwed it up so badly as to have his approval rating plummet (related to other things, yes, but most of those things are directly related to 9/11) than they wanted all of these outcomes that they got. So really, the Imbecile + Mastermind is the only way I'll believe it at all.

[Inkyblott]

My BIL is Mr. Conspiracy Theory. He's all about the illuminati and the idea that AIDS was created to kill Black people. He also watches videos by some guy who believes that shows like Stargate are a way to program people to prepare for space travel (or something like that).

Anyway, I can see Flight 93 being shot down as part of military protocol following the other 3 hits. Of course, the government does not want to open a massive can of worms by admitting that they knowingly shot down a civilian plane.

I do think that some factions of the government were aware of the possibility of some sort of terrorist attack but didn't actively participate/cause any of the events. Instead, those interested parties used the ensuing chaos to push their agenda. That sounds so paranoid but I do believe that the government - all governments, really-harbor secrets and may have more to do with events than anyone will ever admit.

I don't think Bush had anything personally to do with anything. Not that he's the blundering idiot that some people seem to think but I think that, whatever happened, went above and beyond him.

[Mugsy]

If you were going to believe in a full-on 9-11 conspiracy, wouldn't it make more sense to think that Cheney was the Evil Mastermind and that Bush was the Incredible Imbecile Puppet, who was put in place to take the fall?

Going to the Diana conspiracies, I do wonder why they are so bent on making Henri Paul look like a blubbering drunk, when the video of them leaving shows him quite clearly within his faculties. He was bounding up the stairs, two at a time, and didn't look/act/sound drunk at all. How then could he be twice the legal limit, "grotesquely impaired", ten minutes later? I'm thinking he had a few drinks, but that the accident was just an accident, fueled by excessive speed. He probably lost control with all those little buzzing motorbikes all around them, not to mention the flashbulbs popping.

Of course, there is the mysterious little white car that disappeared right after.