Lisa Marie Presley

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Anyone who would marry Michael Jackson is not nor never will be normal.

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Maybe not but, as I said, obviously she needed counseling even BEFORE she married MJ.

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Danny was best man at her latest walk down the aisle; Priscilla gave her away....

She has a couple of children, so it speaks really well of her that she can maintain a good relationship with their father and keep a solid family together for them.

The CoS thing skeeves me out way more than the MJ thing. She was young, and young people often make mistakes in relationships. And MJ just used her. But I doubt she really had much of a relationship with him in reality. So she gets a pass from me.

But I do think the CoS is just a crutch that she needed, because I agree she needed counseling to deal with her Dad's death. Her mom brought her into the church, right? If that is the case, I blame Priscilla.

Does anyone know if Lisa Marie converted Danny too?

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As I recall, Priscilla got involved with the cult after she took up with Elvis karate instructor who was involved with them. She indoctrinated Lisa when she was still a little girl.

Yes, Danny's a cultist.

Danny Keough, Presley's first husband, was and is a deeply devoted Scientologist. The reporter notes he was there during an interview session, "home schooling" their two children in the next room.

Presley says, "He 's my absolute best friend in the world…this is the one man I [will] be connected to for the rest of my life."

Then there's Paige Dorian, "her assistant and friend of eight years," also a Scientologist. And Luke Watson, another Scientologist, who is "documenting her recent life on film."

Watson was reportedly once assigned to look after Presley by Scientology.

Dorian and Watson accompanied her for dinner with the Rolling Stone reporter. She explained "They live my life with me."

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shawnalanne said:

I've listened to her in a few interviews and she seems like a sane and reasonable person who grew up to be a balanced human being, especially considering what she could have ended up like. I think she had a really good base, you know? Studies have shown that if you have a good first 2 - 3 years of life, no matter what comes after, you have a good chance of growing up healthy. And I think her early childhood was probably pretty awesome. Her parents adored her, there was a houseful of people to adore and talk to the little princess, and it seems as if her mom would have tempered the adulation with discipline.

What I think is happening with these multiple marriages for Lisa Marie is that subconsciously she's looking for her daddy, like so many woman to, in her marriage partner. And by that I don't mean anything sick, I mean she's looking for unconditional, bigger than life love from a charismatic, powerful man. But since her father died when she was still so young she wasn't able to view him through the eyes of an adult and pick out what was normal, good, bad etc. Lisa Marie has also said that she did not get along wit her mom's boyfriends after her dad died, so it is not as if she could have a healthy loving example from them. All of these marriages indicated a deep loneliness and I just feel sad for her.

I really agree. Like you, and 99.4% Pure, I feel a lot of sympathy for her and I'm amazed by how sane and grounded she seems. Once upon a time, I would have said I liked her a lot, despite the rebel image, but I'm tainted by my bias against Scientology. Once I heard she was into that, she lost quite a bit of charm for me.

That said, I still had some positive feelings. When I saw a special on the work she does on behalf of her father's foundation for the poor, I was impressed despite my loathing of Scientology.

Then I read, in this thread, about her work on behalf of the Scieno's against psychiatry and, really, that angered me more than anything else. I could forgive her marriage to Crazy MJ as a temporary abberation, rebellion against her mother or just her falling for his pathologically smooth, convincing lying but the stuff about her leading the Scientologist's witchhunt against psychiatry?

I keep imagining Tiny Tim screaming at Jeffrey Dahmer, "If you'd only had Vitamin E tablets, you wouldn't have wanted to eat human hearts and penises!! You Vitamin-deficient freak!!!!!!!!!!"

Ooops, wrong thread. But still, the same theory applies.

What the hell happens to all these people once they get into the Clam Church's hands??? And am I the only one who wishes the FBI would do some sort of Waco assault on their compound to free all the brainwashed slaves?

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From cultnews.com:

Ironically, Elvis apparently loathed Scientology. According to members of his inner circle he once said, "F - - - those people! There's no way I'll ever get involved with that son-of-a-bitchin' group. All they want is my money."

And am I the only one who wishes the FBI would do some sort of Waco assault on their compound to free all the brainwashed slaves?

Nah, because I'm of the opinion that Waco shouldn't have happened; it was a complete federal fiasco much like the Katrina Afermath. Unfortunately, that's not the only cult/false religion out there —if you ask me, even the Christian religions/denominations are just as bad with their merchandising o the gospel and their mega-churches and faith-based money grubbing from the gubmint.

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gee said:

Nah, because I'm of the opinion that Waco shouldn't have happened; it was a complete federal fiasco much like the Katrina Afermath. Unfortunately, that's not the only cult/false religion out there —if you ask me, even the Christian religions/denominations are just as bad with their merchandising o the gospel and their mega-churches and faith-based money grubbing from the gubmint.

I wouldn't compare Waco to the Katrina tragedy, not by a long stretch, but I definitely agree on the rest of your statement. For a long time, my theory on God and religion could be summed up by Depeche Mode: "God has a sick sense of humour." As for organised religion and the fundamentalists, I'd prefer to go to Hell than to follow most of their precepts.

Re: the Elvis quote on Scientology, what sort of contact did he have with them before he reached that (very sane) conclusion? I know he went to some New-age-y/out there sort of spa once to get himself together and I'm wondering now if it was a very early 70s-sort of Scientology retreat.

Even aside from that, Scientology must have been just starting out when he came across them and I wonder what precisely triggered his loathing. Personally, I think it's because Elvis always wanted to be master of himself, and he wouldn't take well to some cultist organisation trying to pull the strings. If he didn't tolerate The Colonel after a while, he certainly wouldn't tolerate a quack sci-fi/semi-religious/cultist organisation like Scientology.

One can only wonder at what he'd say about their incredible power and influence now, not to mention their control over his daughter.

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It is sad-say what you will about Elvis, he obviously was a damned good father to that poor little thing. From what I remember reading, he hated Scientology and thought it was full of shit.



ETA-I see people have already posted that. Damn Priscilla for screwing her daughter up. Why did she ever leave Danny, then, if they're still so close?

Tiny Tim was a Scientologist?

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guinastasia said:

ETA-I see people have already posted that. Damn Priscilla for screwing her daughter up. Why did she ever leave Danny, then, if they're still so close?

That's a good question - but didn't she marry CMJ pretty soon after? I've always thought there was definitely a lot of truth behind all the talk that that marriage happened because the cult hoped to pull CMJ, and all his millions, into their clamdom.

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kafka said:

gee said:

Nah, because I'm of the opinion that Waco shouldn't have happened; it was a complete federal fiasco much like the Katrina Afermath. Unfortunately, that's not the only cult/false religion out there —if you ask me, even the Christian religions/denominations are just as bad with their merchandising o the gospel and their mega-churches and faith-based money grubbing from the gubmint.

I wouldn't compare Waco to the Katrina tragedy, not by a long stretch, but I definitely agree on the rest of your statement. For a long time, my theory on God and religion could be summed up by Depeche Mode: "God has a sick sense of humour." As for organised religion and the fundamentalists, I'd prefer to go to Hell than to follow most of their precepts.

Re: the Elvis quote on Scientology, what sort of contact did he have with them before he reached that (very sane) conclusion? I know he went to some New-age-y/out there sort of spa once to get himself together and I'm wondering now if it was a very early 70s-sort of Scientology retreat.

Even aside from that, Scientology must have been just starting out when he came across them and I wonder what precisely triggered his loathing. Personally, I think it's because Elvis always wanted to be master of himself, and he wouldn't take well to some cultist organisation trying to pull the strings. If he didn't tolerate The Colonel after a while, he certainly wouldn't tolerate a quack sci-fi/semi-religious/cultist organisation like Scientology.

One can only wonder at what he'd say about their incredible power and influence now, not to mention their control over his daughter.

Kafka, I make the comparison only on the notion that, in each instance, the federal government failed to respond appropriately. Otherwise, as you pointed out, there is no comparison as Katrina was the result of natural disaster and Waco was the result of the disastrous mixture of zealot cultists and overzealous, impatient federal agents. Again, this is IMO.

Otherwise, right on, we're on the same page.