Six Feet Under

[MrsOldManBalls]

Nate was an asshole to the very end and I'm glad for it. Waking from the coma, admitting adultery and dumping his pregnant wife was the way Nate needed to go.

[snacktastic]

I agree. I think I understand Ruth's anger towards George. It might seem insensitive but it's hard to deal with someone with severe depression, especially if you are someone who can't express your feelings directly. However, it's the way she went about it that was so problematic. It lacked a level of courage. George, not surprisingly, rebounded way too quickly and I can see why that sent her off itno a shit spiral. Still, she pisses me off.

[shawnalanne]

mrsoldmanballs said:

Nate was an asshole to the very end and I'm glad for it. Waking from the coma, admitting adultery and dumping his pregnant wife was the way Nate needed to go.

Perfectly articulated. I was just so frustrated by his asshatidness that I couldn't get it ou. Thanks, mrsoldmanballs.

[slashgirl]

And *small voice* I felt sorry for Maggie.

So did I-until she stuck her tongue down Nate's throat. "Truly kind [people]," as a rule, don't sleep with married men, especially those with pregnant wives. Maggie knew about Nate's marriage and his family, but she didn't let that stop her. If Maggie hadn't fucked Nate in the first place, she probably wouldn't have anything to feel guilty about, so I've got no sympathy for her whatsoever. I'm not excusing Nate, by any means. Everytime Nate was involved with a woman he claimed to love, after he married her, he cheated on her at the worst possible time, whether it was on Lisa with the serial-killer's daughter while Lisa was missing or with Maggie while Brenda's pregnant, which made him a world-class asshole, as far as I'm concerned. Had he lived, eventually Nate would've cheated on Maggie, too. What I'm saying is that while Maggie wasn't married like Nate was, she's just as responsible for her actions as Nate is for his.

Now that [Brenda] has changed and has gone the more conventional route with marriage and kids, she expects Nate to just go along with her program and do what she wants.

Which Brenda had every right to expect, since Nate proposed to her/married her of his own free will. By her own admission, Brenda has made plenty of mistakes herself, but, unlike Nate, she's trying to learn from hers. While Brenda may have had some karmic payback coming to her for the way she treated Joe, her previous boyfriend, from last season, she didn't deserve to be cheated on/dumped by Nate-and while she's pregnant, at that! Worst of all, Nate dumped her in front of Maya, who may not have understood intellectually what was going on, but that doesn't mean she won't be hurt by it eventually, in one way or another. In the end, when it came to his wife & Maya, Nate's selfishness seemed to know no bounds. Good riddance.

[heyalice]

Well said.
Now, Rico and Vanessa. I think Rico should leave. How many times can he apologize?He was wrong and the trust is gone never to return.

[zacandmax]

If Maggie hadn't fucked Nate in the first place, she probably wouldn't have anything to feel guilty about, so I've got no sympathy for her whatsoever. I'm not excusing Nate, by any means. What I'm saying is that while Maggie wasn't married like Nate was, she's just as responsible for her actions as Nate is for his.

I agree with that, but what I'm saying is that I feel sorry for Maggie because I do believe that she loved Nate and it must be a really scary thing to have had sex with a married guy, then he goes and has an aneurysm, she has to sit in the hospital all night with his pregnant wife and try to act like nothing happened. I think that in itself was karma...and I felt sorry that she had to go through all that for 2 hours of bad judgement.

Now that [Brenda] has changed and has gone the more conventional route with marriage and kids, she expects Nate to just go along with her program and do what she wants.



Which Brenda had every right to expect, since Nate proposed to her/married her of his own free will. By her own admission, Brenda has made plenty of mistakes herself, but, unlike Nate, she's trying to learn from hers. While Brenda may have had some karmic payback coming to her for the way she treated Joe, her previous boyfriend, from last season, she didn't deserve to be cheated on/dumped by Nate-and while she's pregnant, at that! Nate's selfishness seemed to know no bounds. Good riddance.

Let's not forget Brenda was a wild child who cheated on Nate first. And yes, while she was trying to make a change, she thought Nate should be on the exact same page with her at all times and very nastily told him so. I am by no means on Nate's side or am I trying to justify his scummy actions, but Brenda is certainly no saint. She didn't deserve getting dumped and widowed all in the same day, but when you are a cheater, don't act huffy when you get cheated on. Whether you're reformed or not.

Now, Rico and Vanessa. I think Rico should leave. How many times can he apologize?He was wrong and the trust is gone never to return.

Neither one seems to know what they want and too much hurt is involved. I would like to see them back together, though.

[huntergrayson]

I don't think Brenda was a saint, just pointing out that she's compromised in recent weeks and has made the effort to change.

I actually see a big parallel between Nate and Rico's behavior -- it wasn't the cheating that bothered me as misplacing a level of emotional involvement that should be with one's spouse towards the respective mistresses. I was fine until Maggie broke out with "Promise me that you'll never lie to me" and that's when I felt it went too far. Then Nate became concerned about how hard everything was for Maggie, what her feelings were, etc. yet had no time for Brenda's very legitimate concerns. Nate went and asked Maggie about how she felt about dealing with George, coping with a ill child, lent a sympathetic ear to her and her plight. But he never asked Brenda how worried she must have felt after already miscarrying, just laid out abortion as the only option. In fact, Nate came home and lied/manipulated what Maggie said to support his argument. If Rico had just cheated with the stripper, I wouldn't be too hard on him. But he gave so much time and money to her that should have been spent on his wife and kids.

[slashgirl]

zacandmax said:

If Maggie hadn't fucked Nate in the first place, she probably wouldn't have anything to feel guilty about, so I've got no sympathy for her whatsoever. I'm not excusing Nate, by any means. What I'm saying is that while Maggie wasn't married like Nate was, she's just as responsible for her actions as Nate is for his.

I agree with that, but what I'm saying is that I feel sorry for Maggie because I do believe that she loved Nate and it must be a really scary thing to have had sex with a married guy, then he goes and has an aneurysm, she has to sit in the hospital all night with his pregnant wife and try to act like nothing happened. I think that in itself was karma...and I felt sorry that she had to go through all that for 2 hours of bad judgement.

I don't feel the least bit sorry for Maggie. Serves her right for falling for/sleeping with her married ex-stepbrother. If anything, Maggie should be thankful that she didn't catch a beatdown from Brenda, which she'd deserve.

Let's not forget Brenda was a wild child who cheated on Nate first. And yes, while she was trying to make a change, she thought Nate should be on the exact same page with her at all times and very nastily told him so. I am by no means on Nate's side or am I trying to justify his scummy actions, but Brenda is certainly no saint. She didn't deserve getting dumped and widowed all in the same day, but when you are a cheater, don't act huffy when you get cheated on. Whether you're reformed or not.

I haven't said that Brenda was a saint or forgotten about Brenda's past and I certainly don't condone Brenda's cheating, but there are two big differences between Brenda's cheating and Nate's:

1. Nate & Brenda weren't married at the time.
2. Nate/Brenda didn't have kids.

As for Brenda's attitude towards Nate during their marriage, she never wanted him to agree with her on everything, but she had every right to expect him to at least meet her halfway where the baby was concerned and had every right to be pissed when he not only didn't, he confided in another woman, among other things. Given the way he cheated on/ dumped her, Brenda has every right to be mad at Nate, as far as I'm concerned.

[zacandmax]

Tom-a-toes and Tom-ah-toes. If the writing and acting wasn't so damn good we would be having this conversation. I'm going to miss this show.

[MrsOldManBalls]

I wonder if Maggie had any inkling that Nate was going to ditch his wife in order to pursue a relationship with her (Maggie)?