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Post by Auroranorth on Feb 22, 2019 17:24:40 GMT -4
So I finished the 'Victoria and her Nine Children' doc series that recently aired. She was truly a horrible mother especially after Albert died. She blamed Bertie (Ed 7), for Albert's death and did everything she could to undermine him (he didn't help by being a boozehound and a man whore), was atrocious to Helena and Beatrice and don't get me started on her treatment of poor Leopold. Has anyone seen this series? It was really good. Princess Louise was my favourite, her drama would put Margaret, Diana and HRH Duchess Ferg to shame. Also, how in the hell did Victoria get away with not being seen by the public for almost 35 years!! I honestly think if Victoria and Albert hadn't been so obsessed with having a super prince and living down the Hanover reputations that Bertie might have done much better. As it is, I can't blame him for going after wine, women, and song, when he wasn't allowed to do much else. And yes, it was a vicious cycle of her not wanting to give him any work, him lazing around because he didn't have much work, and her getting mad because he was lazy. Her other kids didn't do much better, really. And Victoria was able to hide out because every time someone tried to get her out, she'd pull the poor pitiful widow card and work herself into a fit. She definitely lost a lot of popularity after the first few years of widowhood. |
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Post by divasahm on Feb 23, 2019 12:36:38 GMT -4
If anyone's watching Victoria on PBS' Masterpiece Theater, this season has featured the struggles of a very young Bertie to meet everyone's expectations of a future king. Victoria and Albert are quarreling over his education, his behavior, his lack of focus and patience--no wonder the kid was messed up. Throw in the abusive tutors, the crackpot experts who think his head is too big or the wrong shape, and the general chaos in the household, and we have a perfect recipe for a future basket case on the throne.
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Post by mojogirl on Feb 23, 2019 13:31:09 GMT -4
If anyone's watching Victoria on PBS' Masterpiece Theater, this season has featured the struggles of a very young Bertie to meet everyone's expectations of a future king. Victoria and Albert are quarreling over his education, his behavior, his lack of focus and patience--no wonder the kid was messed up. Throw in the abusive tutors, the crackpot experts who think his head is too big or the wrong shape, and the general chaos in the household, and we have a perfect recipe for a future basket case on the throne. I was going to say that, divasahm! A recent episode seemed to imply that Bertie was dyslexic, which wouldn't have been recognized back then. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 13:33:42 GMT -4
I've tried to get into Victoria because I love a good costume drama but I just can't. I thought it would be more nuanced but it completely romanticizes Victoria and the Victorian age and is trying way too hard to be Downton Abbey with the upstairs/downstairs drama. The Victorian age was one of terrible treatment of the lower classes and rampant colonialism and mass murder in Africa and India. Victoria was a bad queen and a bad person who benefited from a booming economy, but Jenna Coleman (whose acting is pretty bad) portrays her to be a sweet young woman who at worst is kind of oblivious and out of touch. It's just such a whitewashing of history that I can't even.
The Italian chef guy is hot but that isn't enough for me to watch it.
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Post by Auroranorth on Feb 25, 2019 21:37:28 GMT -4
If anyone's watching Victoria on PBS' Masterpiece Theater, this season has featured the struggles of a very young Bertie to meet everyone's expectations of a future king. Victoria and Albert are quarreling over his education, his behavior, his lack of focus and patience--no wonder the kid was messed up. Throw in the abusive tutors, the crackpot experts who think his head is too big or the wrong shape, and the general chaos in the household, and we have a perfect recipe for a future basket case on the throne. Yeah, they really set him up for failure. He was actually a pretty decent king, all things considered, but not due to anything his parents did. |
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Post by Auroranorth on Jul 19, 2019 11:23:24 GMT -4
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Post by gremlin45 on Jul 20, 2019 8:01:35 GMT -4
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Post by Ginger on Jul 20, 2019 8:23:38 GMT -4
Cool, thanks for posting that.
One of those women (Alexandra Taneeva) looks like she's dressed in a fancy maid's outfit.
The Russian imperial stuff is beautiful but also so excessive, and you get that reminder at the bottom of the article that workers were striking while the aristocrats were bathing themselves in jewels.
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Post by gremlin45 on Jul 20, 2019 8:42:39 GMT -4
Cool, thanks for posting that. One of those women (Alexandra Taneeva) looks like she's dressed in a fancy maid's outfit. The Russian imperial stuff is beautiful but also so excessive, and you get that reminder at the bottom of the article that workers were striking while the aristocrats were bathing themselves in jewels. And the peasants were starving. I bet those pictures helped the aristocrats' popularity. Czarina Alexandra looks completely miserable too. It says in the article that she wasn't popular with her husband's family. I wonder if that was because their newly born son was known to be a haemophiliac? |
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