Scarlett Johansson

[lordofthefries]

I don't find Scarlett's comments particularly defensible, but it also bothers me that women who don't have the socially sanctioned response to particular accusations seem to get more blowback and face more career repercussions than the men actually committing these acts.

[deeconsistent]

Nov 30, 2019 13:32:02 GMT -4 lordofthefries said:

I don't find Scarlett's comments particularly defensible, but it also bothers me that women who don't have the socially sanctioned response to particular accusations seem to get more blowback and face more career repercussions than the men actually committing these acts.

I'm gonna argue that this isn't entirely accurate.

I think one of the reasons it seems like women get so much blowback is because 90% of the time, it's women doing the defending. Sure, it's men maintaining the power structure, but when #metoo was at it's peak, more often than not, it was a woman coming out in support of someone who was accused. In the last few years, there was an actual reckoning for violators in various industries; whether it was severe enough is a matter of personal opinion.


That being said, I think it is newsworthy to hear why women with a certain level of power in Hollywood or women who claim to be a part of a progressive, feminist movement choose to overlook abuse accusations. Especially at a time when that movement was in high gear.

(I'm speaking specifically about the events related to the #metoo era. Outside of that phenomenon, repercussions for men and blowback for women are both a lot different.)

[Mutagen]

Interestingly the only male actor who seems like he was ever in danger of being "canceled" for working with Woody Allen was Timothee Chalamet. I can't help thinking that with him being relatively young and un-established (compared to other male collaborators like Colin Firth, Liev Schrieber or Jude Law), it points to the fact that "canceling" is dependent on whether the person is seen as an easy target as much as it has to do with any sort of morality. 

Although, it should be said that Chalamet is doing just fine right now, as are a lot of people who have supposedly been canceled, so I don't really think "cancellation" is always the death sentence it's purported to be for celebrities. 

With that being said, defenses like "he's practically a woman!" (Kate Winslet) or "I don't like my Google alerts blowing up" (Scarlett) are pretty damn stupid and deserve to be called so. Also, Scarlett's comment "To feel like you’re kind of tone-deaf to something is not a good feeling" is hilariously tone deaf in itself given that this thread seems to be regularly bumped up over the years for her latest edgy asshole comments.

[lordofthefries]

Dec 1, 2019 5:08:32 GMT -4 deeconsistent said:

Nov 30, 2019 13:32:02 GMT -4 lordofthefries said:

I don't find Scarlett's comments particularly defensible, but it also bothers me that women who don't have the socially sanctioned response to particular accusations seem to get more blowback and face more career repercussions than the men actually committing these acts.

I'm gonna argue that this isn't entirely accurate.

I think one of the reasons it seems like women get so much blowback is because 90% of the time, it's women doing the defending. Sure, it's men maintaining the power structure, but when #metoo was at it's peak, more often than not, it was a woman coming out in support of someone who was accused. In the last few years, there was an actual reckoning for violators in various industries; whether it was severe enough is a matter of personal opinion.

I think part of this comes from the women being asked to defend their working with accused violators in a way that the men aren't called upon to do? For example, I think both Jesse Eisenberg and Alec Baldwin offered very similar defenses of Allen as Johansson, yet I don't see them repeatedly crucified for this stance in the media. Baldwin actually had an Emmy award campaign (and win) since, and I also don't recall it being an albatross around his neck the way it's becoming for Scarlett's Oscar campaign this year.

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Scarlett is going to be fine: Highest paid actress, franchise movie and possible Oscar nom. Yep, she's suffering for speaking out.

[Ginger]

Jul 17, 2007 11:20:47 GMT -4 lordofthefries said:

I think part of this comes from the women being asked to defend their working with accused violators in a way that the men aren't called upon to do? For example, I think both Jesse Eisenberg and Alec Baldwin offered very similar defenses of Allen as Johansson, yet I don't see them repeatedly crucified for this stance in the media. Baldwin actually had an Emmy award campaign (and win) since, and I also don't recall it being an albatross around his neck the way it's becoming for Scarlett's Oscar campaign this year.

I agree. Alec Baldwin said essentially the same thing Scarlett did - Woody is his friend he believes him. Uncool IMO but it didn't haunt Alec Baldwin for more than 48 hours and certainly isn't in danger of defining his persona.

Justin Timberlake and Kate Winslet were in a Woody Allen movie together and Winslet took ALL of the shit. Timberlake skated by saying he always wanted to be in a Woody Allen movie and then dodged all other questions about it. Kate was interrogated in every interview and her quotes were then spread around so she could be vilified.

I don't like that Scarlett supports Woody Allen, but I also don't like that people are so eager to move the target from Woody to whatever actress doesn't say all the right things about him.

I don't even know why this topic would be such a major component of Scarlett's Vanity Fair profile. Her stance hasn't changed - she said she believed him and supported him as a friend months ago. She's not out promoting a Woody Allen movie. And yet, the Vanity Fair interviewer relentlessly grilled her about this and made it the sole focus of the interview.

[hellsbells]

I think nobody bats an eyelash at Alec Baldwin bc everyone knows Alec Baldwin is trash. It still surprises some of us that Scarlett has trash ideas. Therefore, she gets more press.

[boricuamusicfan]

The Black Widow teaser trailer has dropped...and I have to say that it looks like an utterly generic action film. Not that this has ever hindered any Marvel Studios film before, and I am sure that this will make a billion dollars at the global box office, but damn...I was expecting something a tad more...exciting.

[pathtaken]

I got excited at the trailer just for Rachel Weisz and David Harbour.

[deeconsistent]

Dec 2, 2019 5:54:31 GMT -4 hellsbells said:

I think nobody bats an eyelash at Alec Baldwin bc everyone knows Alec Baldwin is trash. It still surprises some of us that Scarlett has trash ideas. Therefore, she gets more press.

I agree with that. At the height of #metoo, everyone in threads related to Weinstein or the actresses he abused would ask "How can Meryl pretend she didn't know what was going on? We even knew on this board." "Why didn't Matt Damon stand up for those actresses?" In the Michael Jackson thread, everyone asks "Were those parents stupid or just bad parents? Everyone knew." In the R. Kelly thread, everyone asks "How did he get away with it for so long? Everyone knew. Why didn't anyone stop him?" Maybe it's not so much that the people who got shit for supporting accused abusers were easy targets, but it was genuinely surprising and frustrating to see that sort of willful ignorance at that particular moment, playing out in front of our eyes, from people you wouldn't necessarily expect it? It was a perfect example of how and why those things can go on for so long.


Woody wasn't just accused of abusing Dylan. He ended up marrying his kinda step-daughter. He also had a pen pal relationship with Nancy Jo Sales when she was 13. The excerpts from those letters sounded a lot like attempted grooming. Maybe one of those things deserves the benefit of the doubt, but all of those things together make him sound like a grade A creep to me.