Princess Eugenie of York

[Augustus]

Jan 23, 2018 10:49:48 GMT -4 gremlin45 said:

(I have the impression - perhaps the wrong impression - that he'd prefer to be far, far higher in the Order of Succession. Like next in line and elbowing Charles out of the way.)

My impression of Andrew has always been the opposite. Not next in line, but definitely would like to have the same influence, perks, and status as Charles, but without all the duties and Must-Do. So it's no wonder he's pretty aghast at Charles' idea to cut down all the Royal perks to the Crown and it's direct successors - meaning only Heir & its family. It would mean he too would actually have to work hard, theoretically of course. Or at least, his kids.

Of course he completely ignores the fact his daughters will always be privileged by being merely granddaughters of the Queen and therefor will always have greater opportunities presented to them by sheer association and familial relations.

[americanchai]

Yes. Andrew has been done a disservice by his parents at being completely coddled, even as an adult. Why don't royals have good financial advisors? I'm guessing if Andrew had sacked away even a tiny percentage of whatever the Queen was throwing his way, he'd have a good nest egg. Instead he pissed away all of his money, married a poor good-time girl with aristocratic connections and no cash, and continued to spend his mother's money. He has zero brains and even less charm.

Eugenie seems to have gotten the good genes from both parents. Even Bea is more charming than both of her parents. I hope Bea eventually finds a good guy who can afford her and who teaches her the value of doing stuff other than partying away her life like her mom.

[gremlin45]

Jan 23, 2018 12:56:55 GMT -4 Augustus said:

Jan 23, 2018 10:49:48 GMT -4 gremlin45 said:

(I have the impression - perhaps the wrong impression - that he'd prefer to be far, far higher in the Order of Succession. Like next in line and elbowing Charles out of the way.)

My impression of Andrew has always been the opposite. Not next in line, but definitely would like to have the same influence, perks, and status as Charles, but without all the duties and Must-Do. So it's no wonder he's pretty aghast at Charles' idea to cut down all the Royal perks to the Crown and it's direct successors - meaning only Heir & its family. It would mean he too would actually have to work hard, theoretically of course. Or at least, his kids.

Of course he completely ignores the fact his daughters will always be privileged by being merely granddaughters of the Queen and therefor will always have greater opportunities presented to them by sheer association and familial relations.

You could be right. I don't get the impression he likes to work. I do think he'd be madder than a wet hen being shoved further down the line so Anne outranks him.

I wonder what kind of money Andrew has. Cheatsheet says:

Back in 2012, consultancy firm Wealth X estimated Prince Andrew’s net worth at $75 million. Much of his money comes from a trust fund established when he was a child, according to the blog Royal Splendor, and he receives a yearly stipend of $408,000 from the queen, according to Vanity Fair. He also receives pension from the Royal Navy.

Wow!

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Jan 23, 2018 13:08:41 GMT -4 americanchai said:

Yes. Andrew has been done a disservice by his parents at being completely coddled, even as an adult. Why don't royals have good financial advisors? I'm guessing if Andrew had sacked away even a tiny percentage of whatever the Queen was throwing his way, he'd have a good nest egg. Instead he pissed away all of his money, married a poor good-time girl with aristocratic connections and no cash, and continued to spend his mother's money. He has zero brains and even less charm.

Eugenie seems to have gotten the good genes from both parents. Even Bea is more charming than both of her parents. I hope Bea eventually finds a good guy who can afford her and who teaches her the value of doing stuff other than partying away her life like her mom.

I'm pretty sure Granny would have left Andrew a ton of money. The Royal Family passes along their fortunes specifically so "special" members don't have to do any actual work.

[Mouse]

I have to give Charles props for trying to reduce the royal roster. At one point, assorted cousins and fringe royals were drafted into doing royal duties. And some, like Princess Michael of Kent, tried to become professional rent-a-royals themselves. It seems that the monarchy became bloated by then.

Prince Andrew is an asshat, but surely he has the sense to realize that his future grandchildren are most likely going to be commoners.

[Augustus]

Nah, his future grandkids won't be commoners, they'd still be part of the upper class simply by who their ancestors are, and considering this is the UK that still counts. Now a few more generations down the line, who knows?

[Deleted]

Something I don't get though, is, if Andrew and his children aren't part of the inner royal circle, why aren't we hearing more about what Harry and Meghan are going to do with their lives? Limiting the "royals" to the crown and it's successors leaves them out too. But I've never seen Harry say anything about a career. He has the Invictus Games and he and Meghan have been making the publicity rounds in preparation for the wedding, but does he do anything? Does he have any skills? Does she?

[Auroranorth]

Harry left the army in 2015, and he's not had a job since other than charity stuff. Not sure what Megan will do, she won't be permitted to act again, I'm guessing.

Andrew had a 20-year career in the Navy, so I'm not sure why Harry didn't carry on with the military.

[gremlin45]

Jan 25, 2018 16:56:51 GMT -4 Mouse said:

I have to give Charles props for trying to reduce the royal roster. At one point, assorted cousins and fringe royals were drafted into doing royal duties. And some, like Princess Michael of Kent, tried to become professional rent-a-royals themselves. It seems that the monarchy became bloated by then.

Prince Andrew is an asshat, but surely he has the sense to realize that his future grandchildren are most likely going to be commoners.

I think that's why he was pushing for titles for his daughters' future husbands. Beatrice and Eugenie can't pass on their titles so any children they have will be plain old Mr. or Miss and who's going to even remember that they're royalty? I'm starting to think Andrew's an out and out snob.

I also wonder how much protection his title and being part of the Royal Family have given Andrew. Those rumours about him and his business friends using underage girls for sex disappeared pretty quickly. Is he afraid Beatrice or Eugenie will end up in trouble without that layer of protection? Maybe he's assuming they're as skeevy as him (if the rumours are true) and it's only a matter of time before the skeletons are out of the closet?

I'd love to get inside his head and find out for sure.

Nah, his future grandkids won't be commoners, they'd still be part of the upper class simply by who their ancestors are, and considering this is the UK that still counts.

It still counts among us plebs, but the Royal Family and the titled nobs are all about rank and ceremony. Beatrice's and Eugenie's kids might have to stand outside the Royal Enclosure at Ascot! Oh, the inhumanity!

[Augustus]

Both his daughters have definitely benefited from their titles and being part of the Royal family. It's even well documented how Eugenie's first application to her uni was rejected, but once they discovered who she was, they let her in anyways.

And yes, out of all Liz's kids Anne seems to be the most non-snobbish.