Glee

[divasahm]

My daughter came downstairs literally sobbing over the "totally heinous ending". Then Mr. d came downstairs and threatened to punch Ryan Murphy in the face repeatedly if the occasion ever presents itself. Both were appalled by the conspiracy to pull that last minute switch on Rachel by everyone closest to her, even if, as Mr. d put it, "Most of the time, I'd have pushed her under the train instead of putting her on it."

[huntergrayson]

I got into a heated Facebook debate with someone I actually really like over this dumb show which I haven't watched since the MJ tribute episode. Namely, I can't applaud it for increasing recognition/acceptance of gays/for gay teens when I think it is borderline sexist, racist and all kinds of -ist a lot, all the time, in weird ways.

Allegedly, it is going to have a 'show within a show' format. More characters are going to be added. EVERYONE is returning, but not necessarily for 22 episodes. They'll probably add more people from the Glee project alongside Kate Hudson and SJP....

This chat with showrunner/professional troll Ryan Murphy provides some awesome hints for AHS S2 but makes him even punchworthier:

So other than your own many projects, what are you obsessing over in pop culture right now?
You know what is really great? I love that Joss Whedon finally got that big, huge kickass hit [in The Avengers] that he has deserved for so long. I love him. [Editor’s note: Whedon directed the “Dream On” episode in the first season of Glee.] Book of Mormon I continue to marvel over; Venus in Fur, because [Nina Arianda] is a big star. What else ... I love Girls on HBO, because it’s brave and cool. I love The Walking Dead. I know it just ended but, yeah, I never miss an episode. It’s the one show I always have to watch live.

People weren’t into the first half of this season when the group was stuck on the farm, but if I were in a zombie apocalypse, I’d want to stay on the farm, too.
It’s very hard for people after the first season to love you universally. Does that ever happen anymore?

I think because every episode gets reviewed now online.
True, true. I get that, yeah. When I started off with Nip/Tuck, I remember they would review the first episode and the last episode and that was it. They never, ever wrote about anything else. And usually those are two episodes where you put a lot of time and energy, so for the most part it was always pretty good for shows. But yeah, right now there’s a much bigger spotlight on everything because of the Internet.

Shut up. TWD isn't hated because fans are Don Draper and only like the beginning of things. It got criticized because IT WAS TERRIBLE.

At the beginning of this season of Glee, you said no big tributes, no guest stars. But the truth is, you began doing both in the second half of the season. What happened there? Do you feel pulled in both directions?
I don’t feel that I’m pulled in those directions. And you know, the first season, which now everyone has put a halo on, did exactly that: We had guest stars, we had the Madonna tribute. .. I think the thing about the fan base is you can’t take anything too personal because it all comes from a place of passion. There are some people who love the characters. There are other groups of people who love the spectacle. When you do the spectacle, the people who love the characters get pissed. “Fuck them, why aren’t they doing a Brittany and Santana story instead of a Michael Jackson celebration?” Then when you do the opposite they’re like, “You know, where’s the tribute to Frank Sinatra? This is bullshit.” You just can’t win. So I think you try to do the best that you can, and I really do respect the fans, because I think it’s a young audience, and I think it’s a very Internet-savvy audience. We care about the show and we care about the characters and the tributes, but it’s a young, rollicking show by design. I get that sometimes people fall in and out of love with it in the course of two episodes.

It’s also hard when you do a show that no one thought would work — even the people who ran the network did not think it would work. Some of the critics thought it was gonna be five episodes then out. And I think that it’s a show that the fans made. They found it, they loved it, they bought the music, they turned it into a phenomenon, they bought the tickets for those concert tours, they created the ability to do multi-platforms, they had a really strong proprietary grasp on it. I think the critics did, too, and I think a lot of the bloggers did. So whenever you have something like that, and then you evolve and you grow and you try different things and you experiment and you risk, [they say] “We don’t like it, go back to what you used to do.” And then you say “Well, we are kind of doing what we used to do, but I understand how you would see it was different.”

I will say the story for season four gets back to the underdog status [for the characters] and that will appease people, maybe. Sometimes I feel that you can’t win. It’s just a volatile group of people that watch it, and for that, I like their passion. Anybody who’s ever done a show about youth has told me they went through this exact same thing.

OH MY GOD SHUT UP RYAN MURPHY. This show has a fucking shelf of awards that should be handed out to other people in retrospect. Ratings are down but it is still just printing money for Fox, constantly. So you have critical acclaim and commercial success. Nut up and take creative control one way or another. If you don't want to do guest arcs, don't do them. Stop the "it's such a mess because fans don't know what they want" bullshit. For as fucking batshit insane as it is, AHS ultimately succeeded because of the actual self-contained plot arc within a season and, most importantly, a coherent vision.

I watched Nip/Tuck until the bitter, bitter end but he is just enraging to read interviews with.

[bitca]

Fucking... Argh. OF COURSE THE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE RACHEL BERRY GOT WHAT SHE WANTED and Kurt got screwed? I HATE you, Ryan Murphy.

Kurt's dad's dance was off the fucking chain/hook/whatever the kids say these days. I was talking to my friend and made a bunch of giggling-laughing-snorting noises that were so very un-ladylike, but that was probably my favorite part of the entire episode.

[FiggyPudding]

May 23, 2012 23:30:00 GMT -4 bitca said:

Fucking... Argh. OF COURSE THE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE RACHEL BERRY GOT WHAT SHE WANTED and Kurt got screwed? I HATE you, Ryan Murphy.

Kurt's dad's dance was off the fucking chain/hook/whatever the kids say these days. I was talking to my friend and made a bunch of giggling-laughing-snorting noises that were so very un-ladylike, but that was probably my favorite part of the entire episode.

Mine, too.

Every "emotional" scene felt super phony. I still like to see what kind of musical numbers they come up with, but the filler is completely useless. These are the most thin, empty, soulless characters I've ever seen, and I have seen some pretty crappy television in my lifetime.

Congrats writers!

[Casino Bride]

May 23, 2012 23:30:00 GMT -4 bitca said:

Fucking... Argh. OF COURSE THE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE RACHEL BERRY GOT WHAT SHE WANTED and Kurt got screwed? I HATE you, Ryan Murphy.

Perform a great audition and you won't get in. Blow your audition but harass and stalk the person in charge (and get other people to do it for you too) and you'll get in. Yeah, nice message.

[kostgard]

I couldn't believe that Rachel got in (after choking and then stalking Whoopi Goldberg) while Kurt turned in a good audition and he didn't get in. I'm glad they stuck her dumb ass on a train. I'd feel bad for her that she got the rug pulled out from under her when she thought she was going to her wedding, but...I just don't give a shit about her, so I don't care.

So, I guess Mercedes, Puck and Quinn aren't going to be back, right? I can't help but think that while they are probably mourning the loss of the paycheck, they gotta be celebrating their sweet, sweet freedom.

And way to go, Ryan Murphy, blaming the viewers for your show's problems. Like when the EP of "The Killing" just sniffed that her show got such a negative reaction because people didn't get the type of avant-garde show she was doing. No, darling. It's because your show sucked donkey balls.

All the emotional moments felt fake because these aren't actual characters. They are just little cardboard cutouts that they twist around into whatever pose is needed for the storyline of the week they decided to pull out of their ass. You can't convey genuine emotion in a situation like that. The only ones who really came close were Burt and Kurt, and that's more a credit to the actors playing those characters than anything else.

I won't be back next season. The musical numbers just aren't making up for the bullshit anymore. This started out as a sort of dark comedy with some fun musical numbers, and now it's mostly a way for Murphy to deliver some sort of After School Special PSA so he can pat himself on the back about how he's teaching the children, but then he'll completely undo it the next episode or because he just can't follow his own rules ("Don't bully and make fun of people! It's not cool...hey, guys! Watch Mercedes fight for tater tots and Lauren work for candy! 'Cause they're fat! Get it?!").

[NappingAthena]

Ryan Murphy clames that all of the cast members will be back next season, at least for a couple episodes so we can see what they're now doing. He also said everyone wants to do this, so I think he's lying about at least that.

[LAX]

I stopped watching mid-season but came back for the finale and gave myself a reminder to not come back for any part of next season at all. Britney's 0.0 GPA line was funny though.

I thought Bert's Single Ladies dance was cute. I'd almost welcome a Mr. Hummel goes to Washington spin-off. Also, thank goodness this is Glee world, in the real world I would worry about a video leaking of a politician dancing with a couple scantily clad teenage girls, no matter how tame the reason was.

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So, I saw this. So unbelievable. Even the songs sucked. Rachel's voice was so amazing and now it doesn't sound as good to me with all the auto tune.

No way would kids not apply to more than one school. That's just stupid. And the "twist" at the end? More stupid.

I didn't believe any emotional moment. It all felt forced. My curiosity got the better of me and I got punished for it.

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I really like Marley.