normadesmond
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Post by normadesmond on Dec 12, 2008 17:13:25 GMT -4
Maybe Winslet will get it after all. Streep has gotten some negative reviews, and I sense Kristin Scott Thomas and Anne Hathaway aren't felt like they're "due" or "overdue" for anything. A lot of it has nothing to do with the performance, of course they have to like the performance, but that isn't the only factor.
Also, they might be tempted to give it to DiCaprio and Winslet both. Both or neither. Penn has the disadvantage he's already won, and not all that long ago, and moreover, they can probably identity with the characters in Revolutionary Road.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2008 17:29:08 GMT -4
It's too bad no one is mentioning Sally Hawkins of Happy Go Lucky. I heard she's terrific in it.
Unfortunately for her, she suffers from the Mike Leigh curse that hampered Brenda Blethyn and Imelda Stauton. Great performances overlooked by better known names and movies.
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Post by canuckcutie on Dec 13, 2008 0:47:55 GMT -4
I've see Happy Go Lucky and yes, Sally Hawkins was great. She really made the movie. I haven't seen the performances that got nominated for best actress drama yet so I don't know how she stacks up against the others. I guess it depends on how much of a push the studio gives.
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Post by aibohphobia on Dec 13, 2008 10:10:12 GMT -4
Maybe Winslet will get it after all. Streep has gotten some negative reviews, and I sense Kristin Scott Thomas and Anne Hathaway aren't felt like they're "due" or "overdue" for anything. A lot of it has nothing to do with the performance, of course they have to like the performance, but that isn't the only factor. Also, they might be tempted to give it to DiCaprio and Winslet both. Both or neither. Penn has the disadvantage he's already won, and not all that long ago, and moreover, they can probably identity with the characters in Revolutionary Road. I would love to see a Titanic reunion happen in the Best Actor and Best Actress categories this year, but Leo is running a very distant fourth or maybe even fifth at this point behind Penn, Eastwood, Rourke, and Langella. True Penn did win just a few years ago, but if Hilary Swank can win her second Oscar the same number of years apart, I don't think that will hurt Penn. He might be seen as more difficult by some people, but his reputation as a great actor more than makes up for it. Also, since many people are saying he was better than Milk than he was in Mystic River, I don't think winning previously hurts him. I guess it just depends on the Eastwood factor, and how much they love Clint to award him an acting Oscar especially with his retirement announcement. I know this is very wrong of me because I love Kate, but if Leo can't win this year for Best Actor when he and Michael Shannon have been getting more attention in the reviews so far, I would rather Meryl Streep won her third Oscar than Kate Winslet win what feels like a default Oscar for Best Actress or even Best Supporting Actress for The Reader in a role that is bordering on category fraud over a real supporting actress like Viola Davis or someone else. Streep has been getting some negative reviews, but so have the other contenders in play. I thought that to win her third Oscar, Streep would have to pull off some kind of sweep like Daniel Day Lewis did last year, but since the field seems so open, this maybe her best chance to win for along time. Anne Hathaway got good reviews, but she didn't exactly blow people away like Charlize Theron did in Monster or even Reese Witherspoon did in Walk the Line when those two were sweeping through the precursor awards. Sally Hawkins is in too small of a film and is too much of an unknown to win. Likewise, if Melissa Leo manages to grab that final spot, the same could be applied to her. Or if Kristen Scott Thomas gets the last spot, her film is too small too. The only way that Hawkins, Leo, and KST could have possibly overcome that is if they were bigger names acting in very small films like Theron. Or if they pulled off winning all the significant critics awards, but no one really pulled off a sweep this year except for Penelope Cruz for Supporting Actress. So I think the battle is between Winslet and Streep now, and besides not getting a Titanic reunion, I think that Streep should have won her third won a long time ago too, she's had a great year both critically and commercially, and while Winslet might end up being the loser, I hate the pattern of this decade where the young, hot actress always wins over the veteran just because the veteran has already won an Oscar a long time ago before (Cotillard vs. Christie, Roberts vs. Burstyn, Berry vs. Spacek). Of course, it's not that the veteran always deserved to win over the younger actress, but it would be nice to see the previous winner show that a veteran can win again even if there's been a long time between wins.
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Post by normadesmond on Dec 13, 2008 14:18:14 GMT -4
I'm not a Titanic fan, so I don't care about a reunion, but I think it's a possibility. I also don't think Winslet is "owed" an Oscar just because she's been nominated so many times (see Unpopular Opinions....), in fact I really hate it when people win just because they've been nominated so many times it's considered a duty to vote for them (and then we get Al Pacino winning for Scent of a Woman or Paul Newman for The Color of Money - right actor, wrong movie). On the other hand, one thing even worse than giving an Oscar to someone out of pity because of how often they've gone home empty-handed is giving an Oscar to someone because they deglammed or because they gave some performance that was so over the top they were practically soliciting Oscar votes. But consider this - why do we expect actors to "blow us away" before we acknowledge them? "Blowing critics away" often means they had a really showy, flamboyant role that had them in extreme circumstances where they suffered horrible things or inflicted horrible things on other people. They probably deglammed, gained or lost weight, wore makeup to make them look old and tired or ugly, or if they weren't a victim of tragedy and violence (Halle Berry, Hilary Swank), they were the perpetrator of extreme violence and cruelty (Anthony Hopkins, Forest Whitaker, Daniel Day-Lewis). In fact, I would go so far as to say that the fact critics usually only become unanimously enraptured over a performance once they've been "blown away" is one reason Winslet keeps losing (and Peter O'Toole kept losing, and people like Cary Grant almost never got nominated in the first place!). For a while there, the "blowing you away" performance meant playing someone with a disability or a disease. If you wanted to know who'd win, just pick the person with the most noticeable disability (deaf, mute, blind, in a wheelchair, mentally ill, whatever). That was usually for the men. Then, for the women, it seemed like to win you had to "deglam" (a good-looking woman looking rough and unsexy on camera) became the trend. Another one is impressions. Do a vocal impression, do a really striking act of mimicry of a real person whose voice we all know (Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles, Cate Blanchett as Kate Hepburn, Philip Seymour Hoffman as Truman Capote). But just playing an ordinary person, believably, getting all the shadings and revealing things about them, rarely wins. If you applied Oscar criteria to literature, irony of ironies, you couldn't actually give any prizes to any of Truman Capote's novels or stories except In Cold Blood! Most of Virginia Woolf's writing isn't "dramatic" enough either. Hoffman and Kidman won for playing people whose own art mostly doesn't utilize the sort of stuff Oscar voters like to see! I think it would truly suck if Winslet won for The Reader - because it would reinforce what I hate the most about the Oscars, the notion that you have to "transform," you have to "deglam" in the most blatantly obvious, unsubtle way. If you look like this in reality, you have to prove you can look like this on film. Just throwing that out there. I think there's lots of questionable assumptions voters make when they vote for certain performances - not just Oscar voters, all voters for awards.
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Post by mochakitty on Dec 18, 2008 11:08:08 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 14:15:33 GMT -4
DiCaprio isn't on this list! What?
I am pleased to see Prison Break was nominated for something. Who knew they'd ever be nominated for anything? (that's not a slam, but I didn't think it would be taken seriously for anything.) I like that show. Edited to add: Oh, it says "stunt ensemble." So I guess that means the actors weren't actually nominated but the people doing the stunts?
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Post by fabrichnova on Dec 18, 2008 14:29:26 GMT -4
Seems like these people are virtual locks to be nominated in their categories, and the SAG noms seem to confirm it:
ACTOR -Penn -Rourke -Langella
ACTRESS -Hathaway -Streep -Winslet
Last year, Jolie was in the same situation with "A Mighty Heart." She had a lot of precursor nominations but ultimately didn't make the Oscar cut.
SUP. ACTOR -Heath Ledger -Philip Seymour Hoffman
SUP. ACTRESS -Penelope Cruz -Kate Winslet -Someone else from Doubt (or both, perhaps?)
It's funny to think how there were quite a few naysaying articles and pundits back in the summer who said Ledger was unlikely to garner an Oscar nod, despite a great performance.
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Post by huntergrayson on Dec 18, 2008 15:33:34 GMT -4
I think Slumdog Millionaire is one of those pictures that wins lots of critics awards but not necessarily Best Picture. Plus, I think the initial buzz/momentum will wear off and it will be overtaken by a larger picture, like Milk or Benjamin Button.
If Penelope wins, will she and Javier be the first couple to win back-to-back Oscars in...however long? (the only possibilities that come to mind for me are Burton/Taylor and Olivier/Leigh). How adorable would it be to have him present to her?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 18:09:13 GMT -4
Damn, now the SAG awards (and possibly the Oscars) are going to be all about Brangelina. Ah well. I don't care as long as Kate wins something. Love the double nom.
Why do they love Boston Legal so much? I don't get it. I.don't.get.it.
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