Game of Thrones

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Well I might have only really watched the last ep and various bits here and there, well watching it now didn’t stay up recorded it. But as a tv thing it might have potential....;-)


Northern Ireland and tourism there have a lovely idea Games of Thrones in Stained Glass in Belfast some beautiful work to be seen.

Babycakes has done some marvelous work on the previous page my fav...Detective Dragon I laffed...

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I liked it. I'm satisfied.

I think the main thing that bothered me was Jon. He has to join the Night's Watch because the Unsullied/Dothraki want justice, I get that. But, then they leave, and Sansa is Queen in the North. If the Unsullied and Dothraki aren't there anymore and the Night's Watch is in the North, couldn't Sansa just pardon him? Not that it matters anyway, I think he probably would have become a wildling regardless, they're the only people who made him happy and the far north is the only place he seemed comfortable. But that seemed a bit unnecessary. And what's the point of the Night's Watch anymore anyway? The wall has a giant hole in it, the white walkers are gone, and the wildlings probably won't be raiding anymore because they chose to return to their lands north of the wall. What's there to defend?

I felt so sorry for Drogon, nudging his mom and then picking her up and flying away with her. And even though it doesn't really make sense, as dragons so far haven't been portrayed as understanding politics, I liked him melting the Iron Throne. He knew that it wasn't Jon who killed Dany, it was the struggle for politics. That was ultimately what corrupted her and led to her death. He knew that and he knew Jon wasn't ultimately the one to blame. Again, it doesn't really make sense, but I like the imagery.

Bran being king doesn't bother me as much as I would have thought. They've switched from hereditary monarchy to kind of a parliamentary system. The people still don't get a vote (and everyone, even Sansa, laughed at the prospect, so, that was shitty), but at least it's merit based now. (Also, am I crazy or did loony Robin Arryn look kind of hot now?)

[Mugsy]

I don't understand all the whining and complaining. Two weeks ago everyone whined that Jon didn't connect with Ghost when he left; now he reconnects with Ghost and it's cheesy. There's no satisfying viewers when they're determined to hate it.

I liked it and was satisfied.

The Starks end up ruling everything, which seems like justice after everything they went through. Sansa got what she wanted - to be Queen of the North. Jon was always happiest with the Wildlings, and I'm sure he'll meet another gal there some day for whom he ignores the "you may never marry or father children" nonsense. Arya went exploring to see what was west of Weateros, because that's exactly what she said she wanted to do. Bran can have the NotIron Throne, because no one of substance wants it, so it might as well be him. It's not like he makes decisions; the small council with Tyrion in charge, will do the heavy lifting.

I like Bronn, I find him amusing, so I'm okay with him being there. Glad to see Sam got to be Grand Maester.

Jon killing Dany was not unexpected. That Drogon understood the significance of the Iron Throne and that he should destroy it, is no different than Drogon knowing Jon was a Targaryren. Animal sense.

And if people are going to get all "what about the women?", why are the dragons automatically referred to as "he"? Maybe they were females. I have no issue with the women's power or lack of it in the show. Collectively, they led a lot of the plot, and the good ones (Sansa and Brienne and Arya) got what they wanted, and the bad ones (Cersei and Danaerys) got what they deserved. Many other characters, female and male, didn't get a full story arc (Margaery comes to mind), but that's how life works sometimes.

The Unsullied go to Naath, of course, because they're all about serving and obedience. Not sure what they'll do there, but since Missandei basically spite-commanded Danaerys to burn King's Landing, maybe they'll have to defend it against some angry survivors at some point. I'm sure the Dothraki went back across the Narrow Sea, since cold weather isn't their thing and their Queen is dead.

Interesting to see that green tuft of grass north of the wall; I guess winter is over and the world will warm up and green up again.

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I definitely understand the misogyny criticisms earlier in the show with all of the gratuitous nudity and rape used as a plot device. But I don't see misogyny in the final episodes. Sansa asserted the North's independence and became its queen, Brienne is the head of the Kingsguard and Arya went off to explore which was fitting to her character. Yara will rule the Iron Islands.

Yes, Cersei and Dany died. But the fact that they became the final two villains to me is progress. They weren't supporting characters. They weren't used as "eye candy." Cersei was calculating and stone-cold evil and Dany was a tragic character corrupted by her own need for power. Neither of them were weak. Yes, they both loved Jon and Jaime, but they loved the power of being queen more.

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May 20, 2019 8:25:05 GMT -4 @ximena said:

I think the main thing that bothered me was Jon. He has to join the Night's Watch because the Unsullied/Dothraki want justice, I get that. But, then they leave, and Sansa is Queen in the North. If the Unsullied and Dothraki aren't there anymore and the Night's Watch is in the North, couldn't Sansa just pardon him? Not that it matters anyway, I think he probably would have become a wildling regardless, they're the only people who made him happy and the far north is the only place he seemed comfortable. But that seemed a bit unnecessary. And what's the point of the Night's Watch anymore anyway? The wall has a giant hole in it, the white walkers are gone, and the wildlings probably won't be raiding anymore because they chose to return to their lands north of the wall. What's there to defend?

Tyrion explained the need for a Night’s Watch by saying basically that they will always need a place to dump their criminals and other unwanted men.

But that begs a new question - the North is now an independent nation. Sansa is okay with the six kingdoms dumping their criminals in her backyard?

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Sure, for a price

[technicolor]

Eh. It was fine, but IMO reinforced my impression that everything was needlessly rushed. This season felt a bit like they were just checking all the boxes to get to the end. As I said, most of the character beats worked for me, it just seemed like they needed to happen spread over a few episodes or even a season and not be crammed into a few minutes? Dany snapping has been coming for a long time, but they clunked about in the execution.

Cersei going out with a whimper also felt "deserved", I didn't think giving her a more gruesome death would have felt any more satisfying. All her plans and scheming unravelling and her not being able to cope with it at the end seemed fitting. It also seemed fitting how calm and almost grimly satisfied Jaime seemed at the end. He's a soldier, so more used to mayhem like that. But he also walked into his possible/probable death with his eyes wide open and in those last moments Cersei couldn't get away from him anymore. So I felt, that scene, how it was acted, what it symbolized, was incredibly powerful, strangely moving and also suitably twisted and dysfunctional for these two. The problem was the way the writers rushed there. Like they rushed pretty much everything.

And that's one example for what went on all over the place.

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May 20, 2019 11:16:19 GMT -4 technicolor said:

Eh. It was fine, but IMO reinforced my impression that everything was needlessly rushed. This season felt a bit like they were just checking all the boxes to get to the end. As I said, most of the character beats worked for me, it just seemed like they needed to happen spread over a few episodes or even a season and not be crammed into a few minutes? Dany snapping has been coming for a long time, but they clunked about in the execution.

Cersei going out with a whimper also felt "deserved", I didn't think giving her a more gruesome death would have felt any more satisfying. All her plans and scheming unravelling and her not being able to cope with it at the end seemed fitting. It also seemed fitting how calm and almost grimly satisfied Jaime seemed at the end. He's a soldier, so more used to mayhem like that. But he also walked into his possible/probable death with his eyes wide open and in those last moments Cersei couldn't get away from him anymore. So I felt, that scene, how it was acted, what it symbolized, was incredibly powerful, strangely moving and also suitably twisted and dysfunctional for these two. The problem was the way the writers rushed there. Like they rushed pretty much everything.

And that's one example for what went on all over the place.

I agree. And although the battles and dragons were epic, I would have been okay with a little less epic to have more episodes to wrap things up. Although I do believe that GOT is so ambitious and sprawling that I don't know if it would be possible to satisfyingly conclude every single plot thread.

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May 20, 2019 11:33:34 GMT -4 @borokat said:

I agree. And although the battles and dragons were epic, I would have been okay with a little less epic to have more episodes to wrap things up. Although I do believe that GOT is so ambitious and sprawling that I don't know if it would be possible to even satisfying conclude every single plot thread.

I also wish they had scaled back on the epic battles and concentrated more on the characters. My favorite parts of this season were the first two episodes and the first half of episode four - not a coincidence that that was when the show was mostly just the characters sitting around talking to each other.

It is true that there was no way they could have wrapped this up in a way that pleased everyone and that there wouldn't be dangling threads (I mean, GRRM himself seems to be at a loss as to how to wrap this up), but they rushed through so quickly and concentrated so much on just checking boxes that they got super-sloppy: Looks like all but a handful of the Dothraki died at Winterfell (with the gorgeous visual of their lights going out and then we see only a few running back), but then the next morning we learn only half died because they need them around to plunder KL later. Dany "kind of forgot" about her enemy's navy (despite discussing it before she left Winterfell), which is why Euron was able to spring a surprise attack on her so Rhaegal can die and they can check the box. Those scorpions hit him three times, but the next time around the scorpions are no trouble at all because the story needed them not to be in order to get to the next checkbox. Tyrion blabs about Cersei's baby in front of Euron even though Euron himself just learned about it and you'd think that would ring some alarm bells for him, but no - the episodes director explained that Euron "wasn't paying attention" in that moment because "Euron gets mad that Cersei lied to him" wasn't a checkbox they needed, but him being present in that scene was. And really, why was Brienne the Lady Commander of Bran's King's Guard when it made more sense for her to be LC to Sansa's Queen's Guard (she told the Blackfish in season six she was sworn to protect Sansa until the day she died)? Because they needed to check off the box of Brienne completing Jaime's entry in the Book of Brothers. Arya emphasizes to Jon in the Godswood the importance of family and sticking together, then the next time we see her she's leaving KL with the Hound, telling him she didn't think she was going to return. Why? Boxes to check (and she didn't say goodbye to her family because the writers knew she'd have another opportunity. Similarly, we saw Jon say goodbye to Sam and Gilly because the writers knew they were not going to interact again).

I get why a lot of people don't care about that stuff. They just want to be entertained and outside of the writing, GOT does everything very well. But I want to feel like the people writing the show have put more thought into than I have. I got that impression with shows like Breaking Bad, and more recently Fleabag. I didn't get that impression here.