Queen Elizabeth II

[dragonflie]

This is the thing with Harry (both of them actually); nothing he says should be taken as truth. It's either blatant lies, missing important context, or (I think most often) vague statements meant to imply something evil without actually coming out and saying it directly- because there is little substance to the threats in his mind. (comments were made about Archie's looks (implying racism?)- but NOT direct accusations... horrible "comments" were said about my wife (but no actual examples), "they" conspired against me and Meghan (how so, what exactly did "they" do?), the "paparazzi" is chasing us!! (cut to a pizza delivery guy on a bike oblivious to who they are).

I am surprised Harry's description of asking HM for permission didn't include a scene of Meghan sobbing on the floor after he told her. That seems to be their MO. I think it is entirely obvious that Harry- and Meghan expected a LOT of extra's - to be given more than anyone else... and they expected it from day one. There was no attempt at: give us time to get settled (for both them and the rest of the monarchy). Letting them earn their stripes and then maybe "deserve" a larger home or more- whatever it is they wanted. They expected to be treated better than anyone else from day one. And, like, what is it they even wanted but weren't given?? Other than the house? I guess "protection"- but well, that's all been proven false. What else monetarily was Charles "denying" them? Notice there are NO actual examples?

I truly believe the egos, and delusion, of these two meant they expected the whole monarch to just crumble at their pure awesomeness and for Charles to declare: Harry and Meghan are so amazingly amazing we have all decided to abdicate and give them the title of King and Queen effective immediately! When that didn't happen they were like: what?? How can you deny us so much???!! They is crazy.

[Ginger]

Mar 14, 2005 2:10:14 GMT -4 dragonflie said:

It's either blatant lies, missing important context, or (I think most often) vague statements meant to imply something evil without actually coming out and saying it directly-

Every time Harry and Meghan say and/or write that his family told them "something that made no sense", I know immediately that they were told something that made perfect sense.

[Oxynia]

Harry and Meghan have their own threads, so please take this conversation over there. Thanks.

[Daisy Pusher]

Jan 20, 2023 10:40:57 GMT -4 royalwave said:

What is sort of interesting though is the size of the homes the Queen's children were given. Harry may have had some reason to think he, too, would be gifted something along the lines of a 12-bedroom mansion like Sunninghill Park upon his marriage. But perhaps the days of setting 2nd sons up with grandiose accommodations is over? Prince Edward arguably has the most impressive spread at Bagshot. Anne also has a pretty big spread at Gatcombe Park, but we've seen inside the house and it looks cozy, lived-in, and modest. Anne re-wears clothing that she has owned for decades. Can you picture Meghan doing the same?

I don't know. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Harry had still been a working royal when Charles became King. He may have eventually gotten the larger home he desired, and I do get how it would seem strange to have all your aunts and uncles living in mansions while you're in a relatively small house despite now being significantly closer to the throne, but I'm pretty sure if he had been willing to play the long game some of this would have worked itself out.

Agreed. Harry got a MUCH more than any of the Queen's other grandchildren, save for William (for obvious reasons as he and his children will inherit the throne). To my knowledge, none of QEII's grandchildren, except for William, were given a large house upon marriage (I think Eugenie got one of the other small cottages on KP grounds). My understanding from contemporaneous reports was that the original plan was to make the very large Kensington Palace Apt. 1 (which had been occupied by the Gloucesters for decades) available to the Harkles. My guess is that they could not stomach the idea of living next to the Cambridges (and the Cambridges were likely feeling the same way) and so something else that was available in the property portfolio was offered to them, and they've been whining ever since. They are assholes.

ETA: My apologies, mods, I had the post window open and missed the warning to move to the other thread.

[dragonflie]

And my apologies mods- it was actually MY mistake as I thought I was posting in Harry's thread.

[featherhat]

Jan 20, 2023 10:40:57 GMT -4 royalwave said:

Yes. Harry himself noted that when senior working royals marry they become a "household." This, according to him, entitles them to better accommodations, more staff, more cars, etc. Someone needs to approve and fund that.

Speaking of expenses, I have trouble believing Harry's version of events that Charles supposedly said he didn't have the money to support Meghan. I'm sure he expected to help finance Harry and his wife, whomever she may be, but balked at the level of Harry's expectation. Harry writes “Pa might have dreaded the rising cost of maintaining us, but what he really couldn’t stomach was someone new dominating the monarchy, grabbing the limelight, someone shiny and new coming in and overshadowing him."

I think the key words there are "rising cost" and not the silliness about jealousy. Harry and Meghan expected their own court, a much grander house, and apparently the most expensive wardrobe of any royal woman on the continent. I think that is what Charles took issue with and part of why he suggested that she could continue to work and not necessarily be a full-time royal.

What is sort of interesting though is the size of the homes the Queen's children were given. Harry may have had some reason to think he, too, would be gifted something along the lines of a 12-bedroom mansion like Sunninghill Park upon his marriage. But perhaps the days of setting 2nd sons up with grandiose accommodations is over? Prince Edward arguably has the most impressive spread at Bagshot. Anne also has a pretty big spread at Gatcombe Park, but we've seen inside the house and it looks cozy, lived-in, and modest. Anne re-wears clothing that she has owned for decades. Can you picture Meghan doing the same?

I don't know. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Harry had still been a working royal when Charles became King. He may have eventually gotten the larger home he desired, and I do get how it would seem strange to have all your aunts and uncles living in mansions while you're in a relatively small house despite now being significantly closer to the throne, but I'm pretty sure if he had been willing to play the long game some of this would have worked itself out.

There are stories about Charles earmarking the estate/land the Duchy bought in Herefordshire (Harewood Park) for Harry but he didn't want it. That would have been a much grander house.

It also seems (in regards to the Africa proposal) that the BRF knew they might live elsewhere by at latest spring 2019 so why give them a huge pad?

Of course there are also reports that they wanted Windsor Castle so anything less would be a down grade. And a lot of these old houses smell "funny", electricity and plumbing problems so even if they were given a Bagshot (and it is said Edward and Sophie live in one wing) they would probably still complain.

[Oxynia]

Once again, move the conversation about Harry and Meghan to their respective threads. I will not ask a third time. Anyone who continues to ignore this direction will find their posting privileges very much in jeopardy.

[boxofrocks]

I was re-watching the televised footage of QEII's funeral and realized Juan Carlos of Spain got the same candle treatment as Meghan.

[Sunnyhorse]

Mar 29, 2023 20:52:06 GMT -4 boxofrocks said:

I was re-watching the televised footage of QEII's funeral and realized Juan Carlos of Spain got the same candle treatment as Meghan.

And Edward got the candle to the face before Meghan did, far as I could tell.

Seeing the hitch in William's shoulders there as the congregation was singing God Save the King made me a little teary, six months on. Hard to believe the Queen has been gone that long. It must be so hard for them all to have to grieve their loved ones in public.

[canuckcutie]

Today would have been QEII’s 97th birthday.

Two new pictures of the late Queen have been released to mark the occasion. One picture was taken by Kate at Balmoral last summer and features the Queen with her 3 children, Zara & Peter’s children and Edward & Sophie’s 2 children.