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Post by laurenj on Jun 15, 2021 10:58:25 GMT -4
Oh man, I commented upthread and didn't realise someone else had spoken about her bullying. Michael Costello. The screenshot of her message to him. VILE. Not just telling him to die but also lording it over him that she can break his career. Girl can keep her 5 page apologies. She needs to just shut up now. If you're standing by the defense of falling into the social media trap and doing it for the likes and lols, why the fuck are you taking your harassing to personal messages too?! It's one thing to pile on in front of your followers (VILE), but there's something seriously wrong with her if she's also been DMing her victims. And yeah I say victims, because she is a bully. Yeah, the DMs are the damning thing to me. That's a bridge too far and there's no audience other than the receiver of the message. It's very possible to get caught up in a groundswell of mindlessly commenting in a public forum, but taking it to a private message means you've lost all perspective. As for Michael Costello, if at the time he was being accused of something that wasn't yet known to be false, I can similarly understand getting caught up in the hue and cry on Twitter, but from the sound of her private messages, it went too far again. Out of curiosity since I haven't really followed along, how exactly did all of this surface? Did Courtney Stodden bring it up at random or what? It's fascinating how massive scandals can emerge from small moments, like Hannibal Burress' Cosby mention. The Cosby stuff was apparently an open secret, but the way things unfolded from that minor thing is kind of mind-boggling (as is the fact that it was an open secret for so long).
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Post by Ginger on Jun 15, 2021 11:51:49 GMT -4
Out of curiosity since I haven't really followed along, how exactly did all of this surface? Did Courtney Stodden bring it up at random or what? Courtney Stodden brought it up publicly after Chrissy sanctimoniously deleted her twitter in March and blamed it on people being mean to HER. Courtney said she found Chrissy's statement hypocritical. Chrissy's statement included the following: Chrissy immediately came out with a public apology to Courtney and claimed that she had tried to reach out in private as well. Courtney said not only was it untrue that Chrissy had tried to reach her, but posted a screenshot showing Chrissy BLOCKED her on twitter. In 2011, it was popular to make fun of Courtney Stodden. In 2021, it's popular to play the victim while hollowly preaching kindness. Chrissy's just keeping with the times. I see no reason to believe that Chrissy's current apology is any more sincere than her last one just because she waited for a few weeks and made the apology really long.
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Post by scarlet on Jun 15, 2021 12:24:17 GMT -4
However, she posted her long apology and then started posting on social media like everything was normal a little bit later. Girl, read the room. Nobody needs this from you right now. And the whole "You probably hate me, but that's OK. I don't hate you" or words to that effect. As if SHE was being the bigger person.
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groovethang
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Post by groovethang on Jun 15, 2021 13:01:33 GMT -4
Oh man, I commented upthread and didn't realise someone else had spoken about her bullying. Michael Costello. The screenshot of her message to him. VILE. Not just telling him to die but also lording it over him that she can break his career. Girl can keep her 5 page apologies. She needs to just shut up now. If you're standing by the defense of falling into the social media trap and doing it for the likes and lols, why the fuck are you taking your harassing to personal messages too?! It's one thing to pile on in front of your followers (VILE), but there's something seriously wrong with her if she's also been DMing her victims. And yeah I say victims, because she is a bully. It's fascinating how massive scandals can emerge from small moments, like Hannibal Burress' Cosby mention. The Cosby stuff was apparently an open secret, but the way things unfolded from that minor thing is kind of mind-boggling (as is the fact that it was an open secret for so long). The Cosby thing is sad to me because of the fact that it was an open secret and I’m almost certain that many women had come forward with their accusations yet nothing happened until a man mentioned it. And by sad, I really mean infuriating.
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Post by Ladybug on Jun 15, 2021 13:13:12 GMT -4
Chrissy needs public attention and social media validation. Without having an outlet where she can get likes, replies, retweets, etc. she feels invisible and unvalued. Maybe some of the apology is genuine and based on true self-reflection, but I think it's mostly motivated by the fact that she desperately misses being on Twitter and wrote the apology to put the controversy behind her and get back to business as usual. If something happens to her and she doesn't Tweet about it, did it really happen? If she has a clever thought and she can't share it and have people <3 it can it really be all that brilliant? She needs the public approval that social media provides. Her bullying of others on social media and in private DMs is a by product of her shame and self-loathing. Something about doing that made her feel good because she could project her inadequacies onto others and hurt them. I hope she's in therapy.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 15, 2021 13:17:45 GMT -4
She's intentionally and viciously destroyed the careers and/or lives of at least two people (Jon Warech, the US Weekly writer who was fired and decided to leave the industry for public service, and Michael Costello the stylist). That's worse to me than the tweets. Why should she be forgiven when the people whose careers she destroyed are still suffering the consequences?
There is also the dustup with cookbook author Alison Roman, who gave a candid interview in which she said she thought the type of deals Chrissy and Marie Kondo made were sell-out deals and not what she wanted to do with her career. It was largely Chrissy's army of 12.7 million twitter followers, egged on by Chrissy, who campaigned for Alison Roman to be cancelled and fired, citing racism. It took two groveling public apologies for Chrissy to smugly grant her forgiveness and Alison still lost her NY Times column.
Chrissy's ok with leading the charge to mercilessly cancel others. It's hard for me to see why she deserves mercy. (Although I'm still stuck on the idea of what that mercy would entail since her career is ephemeral BS social media nothing. Public forgiveness would be when Buzzfeed goes back to aggregating her tweets and she can do more commercials with her husband without people half-heartedly complaining about it?)
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Post by Beyle on Jun 15, 2021 13:29:45 GMT -4
Haven’t others been permanently banned from social media for telling people to kill themselves? Why is she allowed to remain a user? She bullied children. Toss her off the platform at least as long as the president who while awful, didn’t tell children to kill themselves. I'm confident people who have committed far lesser offenses have been permabanned from Twitter.
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dragonflie
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Post by dragonflie on Jun 15, 2021 13:53:23 GMT -4
Honestly I think she's no different than Trump. It's funny because she really became known for "clapping back" in the era of Trump's twitter insanity.Yet, how is she different? She seems to exist purely for external shallow validation. She obsessively posts on twitter and the like. She says vile hateful things and her fans encourage her and attack and harm people because of it.
The scope is different, because she was not the leader of the entire country, but their personalities seem pretty similar imho. This also reminds me a lot of the Ellen situation. Ellen was a shit person for a long while, then finally got called on it. The truth is, I don't think Chrissy is some clinically diagnosable narcissist or the like. I just think she's a shitty person who is likely nice to people she thinks will get her ahead. It's just that her bad side is pretty malicious and harmful. I don't think anyone needs to forgive her, I think she just needs to go away. She won't though- because she is sad and pathetic and needs the validation- even though her life is pretty f%cking great. Beautiful kids, loads of money, a partner that seems to support her. It's not enough, she needs the twitter/insta likes. She's a 13 year old mean girl in an older woman's body. I never got her fame anyways, but now I really don't get it.
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Post by tiggertoo on Jun 15, 2021 19:52:59 GMT -4
I didn’t know about the Michael Costello thing until today, wow.
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Post by mrspickles on Jun 15, 2021 20:56:07 GMT -4
I didn’t know about the Michael Costello thing until today, wow. I remember him as being so funny and outgoing on PR, so hearing that he was so badly hurt (contemplating suicide I think?) feels even worse to me. It shouldn't because the DM's were awful no matter who received them, but thinking about the joyful person I remember just makes me extra extra sad.
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