Chrissy Teigen

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Jun 16, 2021 9:01:48 GMT -4 Ginger said:

I don't know this guy, but I don't think him failing to be a perfect victim is all that relevant to Chrissy's behavior. There seem to be at least a few different people who have issues with him, including the person who originally Photoshopped a comment to get him in trouble. (Although him not being able to dress a celebrity because he only had sample sizes on hand is unfortunately very common in the fashion industry, and it's ridiculous but it's not "bullying".)

Chrissy felt justified to use her influence to try to end someone's career, and DM'd him things like "You deserve to suffer and die" and "You might as well be dead" and "Your career is over."

I absolutely hate using the expression cancel culture, but I have to. Chrissy is a perfect example of how cancel culture empowers people to be vicious, shitty, judgmental, and cruel, while feeling like they are actually doing something noble. And she's also a perfect example of how easy, if not inevitable, it is for the canceller to become the cancelled.

The only reason that I think that his history and issues others have had with him could be relevant is that it opens up the possibility that he's joined in the chorus against Chrissy in an attempt to get publicity himself and try to rehabilitate his image. I think what he's saying needs to be considered - but his history suggests it's possible he's not telling the full story, and could be an opportunity.

It's kind of a vicious cycle. What Chrissy is guilty of is jumping on board with social media outrage and going too far in her responses. There's a risk that in people expressing outrage over her, they'll lose sight of reality and facts and go too far in responding. It gets a little hypocritical when people go over the top in social media in clapping back at a woman who wnt over the top in social media.

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Jun 15, 2021 4:31:25 GMT -4 Coffeecakes said:

The worst thing about her trolling was she went after kids. Courtney was an abused child, she went and talked shit Quevanzhane as well. Troll adults who can actively defend themselves at least damn.

I don't understand why she became popular anyway. She has a moonface, isn't cute in the slightest and she just talks shit on social media. What boosted her was definitely being associated with John.

I have not liked Chrissy since she called Quevanzhane the c word. Some (not me) might think it is okay to go after a married 16 year old, but to attack a child that has not reached double digits with that word? I wonder if she would have DMed "kill yourself" to her if she had been on SM. And I do not think Chrissy has done a public apology to her yet. I know she doesn't "have" to, but as vile as the comment was, one would think she would address it. And I think John is just like her and Kanye, he just hides it better.

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Aug 20, 2007 12:45:58 GMT -4 laboria said:

I have not liked Chrissy since she called Quevanzhane the c word. Some (not me) might think it is okay to go after a married 16 year old, but to attack a child that has not reached double digits with that word?

Chrissy didn't do that. She tweeted the following: "Is it okay to call a small child cocky?" and "I am forced to like Quvenzhané Wallis because she's a child right? Okay fine."

There was a backlash to those tweets. In response to the Chrissy brouhaha, The Onion tweeted the following joke: "Everyone else seems afraid to say it, but that Quvenzhané Wallis is kind of a c***, right?" And then there was backlash against The Onion.

The internet misremembers this as one conflated incident.

May 18, 2021 10:34:59 GMT -4 ahah said:

The only reason that I think that his history and issues others have had with him could be relevant is that it opens up the possibility that he's joined in the chorus against Chrissy in an attempt to get publicity himself and try to rehabilitate his image. I think what he's saying needs to be considered - but his history suggests it's possible he's not telling the full story, and could be an opportunity.

He's got screenshots of the incriminating DM's, the rest might be more open to interpretation. If he's exaggerating his anguish - well, we are always supposed to take people's word at face value when they say they were suicidal, so there's no place to go with that.

My issue is that Leona Lewis's post implied that since she had an unpleasant experience in which she felt hurt by him, that he couldn't be the wronged party in a dispute with Chrissy Teigen. She said it was "the pot calling the kettle black".

What the pile-on of Michael Costello implies is that a person can only be one or the other, victim or a villain, and if he's ever mistreated anyone then it's ok for Chrissy to have done or said whatever she wanted because he was inherently deserving of it.

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There was something on TV last night that mentioned Chrissy, and Mr. d turned and asked me, "Who exactly is she, and why does everyone hate her so much?"

Oh, honey...

I gave him the CNN crawl version of who she is and why she's a problem. He couldn't believe anyone in the public eye would be so stupid and crass as to spend so much time tearing people down. I told him that's what makes this such a big deal--she seems to have no perspective on how damaging this is to her image and career, to say nothing of how it makes people wonder why her husband puts up with her horrible behavior.

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Jun 16, 2021 14:35:03 GMT -4 Ginger said:

What the pile-on of Michael Costello implies is that a person can only be one or the other, victim or a villain, and if he's ever mistreated anyone then it's ok for Chrissy to have done or said whatever she wanted because he was inherently deserving of it.

The same is true of Chrissy, no? There's a mindset right now that she's a vile and narcissistic person with no redeeming qualities because we've been reminded of her past tweets and seen DMs that she's sent. There are of course other stories that are true about her - including her spending a lot of money fulfiling the wish lists of teachers across the country in need of supplies when they were setting up their virtual classrooms. But many people have allowed social media to sway them into believing that a person can only be good or bad and there is no room for gray.

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Who said "no redeeming qualities"?

She behaved really terribly to a lot of different people in ways that seriously impacted their lives, so I feel comfortable concluding she's not very nice and I don't particularly like her as a celebrity. It sounds like Michael Costello also does not behave very well to people. I don't think either of them deserves to be told to kill themselves or be targeted to have their lives destroyed.

As for her charity work, Chrissy could go on the lengthy list of celebrities who do charity work and pay lip service to an ethos of kindness, while having no problem being vicious to individuals they consider beneath them, or people they have some power over. Ellen DeGeneres is #1 and patron saint of this list.

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Jun 16, 2021 14:35:03 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Aug 20, 2007 12:45:58 GMT -4 laboria said:

I have not liked Chrissy since she called Quevanzhane the c word. Some (not me) might think it is okay to go after a married 16 year old, but to attack a child that has not reached double digits with that word?

Chrissy didn't do that. She tweeted the following: "Is it okay to call a small child cocky?" and "I am forced to like Quvenzhané Wallis because she's a child right? Okay fine."

There was a backlash to those tweets. In response to the Chrissy brouhaha, The Onion tweeted the following joke: "Everyone else seems afraid to say it, but that Quvenzhané Wallis is kind of a c***, right?" And then there was backlash against The Onion.

The internet misremembers this as one conflated incident.

Okay, I'll admit that mistake, but it's still not okay to attack a 9 year old child, and I stand by the statement that if she could have DMed her she would have. She's shown herself to be that nasty. It would not surprise me if others come out with their own DMs received from Chrissy.

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Jun 16, 2021 17:14:39 GMT -4 laboria said:

Jun 16, 2021 14:35:03 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Chrissy didn't do that. She tweeted the following: "Is it okay to call a small child cocky?" and "I am forced to like Quvenzhané Wallis because she's a child right? Okay fine."

There was a backlash to those tweets. In response to the Chrissy brouhaha, The Onion tweeted the following joke: "Everyone else seems afraid to say it, but that Quvenzhané Wallis is kind of a c***, right?" And then there was backlash against The Onion.

The internet misremembers this as one conflated incident.

Okay, I'll admit that mistake, but it's still not okay to attack a 9 year old child, and I stand by the statement that if she could have DMed her she would have. She's shown herself to be that nasty. It would not surprise me if others come out with their own DMs received from Chrissy.

Agree, the c-word incident wasn't on her but it was still super fucked up that she decided to bust out the edgelord humor on a 9 year old black girl for... daring to exist in public. I honestly was starting to wonder if I was having some kind of Mandela effect when everyone just sort of collectively forgot about it and decided Chrissy was funny.

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What Chrissy said to Stodden in DMs was a horrible thing to say to anyone.

But it's ironic to me that all across the internet people are out for blood, screaming "how could Chrissy have said something so horrible to a poor victim of child abuse?"

But if you take a look back online, the majority of people were trashing that girl. Calling her ugly, no redeeming features, total trash trying to get into porn, ridiculed for going to church. There were articles showing pictures of her at 12 calling her an exibitionist and comparing her writing to a Penthouse feature. They even turned her into a Halloween mask.

None of that excuses what Chrissy said. But we've learned a lot since 2011, about Stodden, about #Metoo, about the sexualization of young women, about the dangers of social media, and the pile-ons that happen on social media. Maybe she has learned and grown as well. She's become a mom, she's experienced online bullying herself and stopped drinking. Chrissy went (way way) too far, but she wasn't alone, the whole damn internet was awful to Stodden. I'm willing to give Chrissy a chance to show that she's learned a lesson.

Jun 16, 2021 18:44:52 GMT -4 danadel said:

When did she learn, though? Both her apologies are pretty self-centered, and honestly, I think she just wants back on social media adulation.

These three episodes that we've been discussing happened 7-10 years ago. I think someone changes a lot between 25 and 35.

I don't think the apology was self-centered. I actually don't think it was an apology. Nor do I think she owes the world at large an apology. She owes those people she bullied an apology - and that needs to be between the two of them. I think what she wrote was more in the vein of a mea culpa. She owned what she did. She explained why she did it. But most of all it was a cautionary tale that a lot of people on the internet could learn a thing from. (probably myself included)

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When did she learn, though? Both her apologies are pretty self-centered, and honestly, I think she just wants back on social media adulation. She’s probably pissed at Michael Costello’s timing, because she had preschool graduation content ready to go.

And, I don’t think John will leave her. He knows who she is, is probably upset because their relationship is a big part of his branding, also, but, I think he’s there for the long haul. I do wonder about her family relationship. Her mom lives with them. Her dad lives nearby but is barely around, and there’s a sister also infrequently seen. How does the sister feel about her mom living with her sister? Are they both just happy to escape that dysfunction?