ahah
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Post by ahah on Jun 20, 2021 8:30:42 GMT -4
John chimed in on the Costello drama, which yeah, he's standing by his wife. Kudos I guess. I saw a Tweet where he responded to someone basically saying, "Don't tell me anything about my wife. I know who she is, I married her, had kids with her." I can see his intention of how he probably thought it comes off as him defending her and knows her best obviously. But it also says to me, you're just as complicit in enabling her terrible behaviour. It sounds like what you’re saying here is that John is problematic because he’s not appreciating the social media conclusions about his wife, therefore is a bad guy. This is one case where I think the majority opinion is not likely the accurate one. I take John’s support for his wife as a message that he knows the social media conclusion is untrue, and he’s standing be the woman he actually knows. I think it’s a stretch to say he’s complicit. I think it’s more likely that he’s fine supporting her because he knows that the perception the general public has is false. He’s probably also smart enough to know that if he didn’t speak up, those same “experts” who insist they know her heart because of a few posts would also insist they know there’s trouble with and that he was admitting she’s terrible by not saying anything. When reading tea leaves, the first step needs to be acknowledging that sometimes you’re not seeing tea leaves but rather stains left behind by a really crappy dishwasher. |
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Post by canuckcutie on Jun 20, 2021 9:36:35 GMT -4
I think if she can actually take an extended break from social media in the long run she’ll be fiiiiine but I think she just can’t quit it - hence her quickie return after her first break.
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wixy
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Post by wixy on Jun 20, 2021 12:01:20 GMT -4
John chimed in on the Costello drama, which yeah, he's standing by his wife. Kudos I guess. I saw a Tweet where he responded to someone basically saying, "Don't tell me anything about my wife. I know who she is, I married her, had kids with her." I can see his intention of how he probably thought it comes off as him defending her and knows her best obviously. But it also says to me, you're just as complicit in enabling her terrible behaviour. It sounds like what you’re saying here is that John is problematic because he’s not appreciating the social media conclusions about his wife, therefore is a bad guy. This is one case where I think the majority opinion is not likely the accurate one. I take John’s support for his wife as a message that he knows the social media conclusion is untrue, and he’s standing be the woman he actually knows. I think it’s a stretch to say he’s complicit. I think it’s more likely that he’s fine supporting her because he knows that the perception the general public has is false. He’s probably also smart enough to know that if he didn’t speak up, those same “experts” who insist they know her heart because of a few posts would also insist they know there’s trouble with and that he was admitting she’s terrible by not saying anything. When reading tea leaves, the first step needs to be acknowledging that sometimes you’re not seeing tea leaves but rather stains left behind by a really crappy dishwasher. No, what I was saying is that from his tweet, I think John makes it quite clear he knows who his wife is. The good, the bad, the ugly. Hence "complicit." He knows that side of her, he has seen her tweets and presumably the DMs telling at least one person to die. Those tea leaves are quite clear to me. And yes, that makes him problematic to me. I don't expect him to denounce his wife. He married her for better or worse. I can however draw my conclusions he's not the good guy he presents himself to be. |
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ahah
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Post by ahah on Jun 20, 2021 14:13:47 GMT -4
It sounds like what you’re saying here is that John is problematic because he’s not appreciating the social media conclusions about his wife, therefore is a bad guy. This is one case where I think the majority opinion is not likely the accurate one. I take John’s support for his wife as a message that he knows the social media conclusion is untrue, and he’s standing be the woman he actually knows. I think it’s a stretch to say he’s complicit. I think it’s more likely that he’s fine supporting her because he knows that the perception the general public has is false. He’s probably also smart enough to know that if he didn’t speak up, those same “experts” who insist they know her heart because of a few posts would also insist they know there’s trouble with and that he was admitting she’s terrible by not saying anything. When reading tea leaves, the first step needs to be acknowledging that sometimes you’re not seeing tea leaves but rather stains left behind by a really crappy dishwasher. No, what I was saying is that from his tweet, I think John makes it quite clear he knows who his wife is. The good, the bad, the ugly. Hence "complicit." He knows that side of her, he has seen her tweets and presumably the DMs telling at least one person to die. Those tea leaves are quite clear to me. And yes, that makes him problematic to me. I don't expect him to denounce his wife. He married her for better or worse. I can however draw my conclusions he's not the good guy he presents himself to be. I appreciate where that interpretation comes from. But I think it’s one of many interpretations from his words that can be drawn, and I don’t know how anyone who does not know them personally can be certain to be right. I see it as likely that he’s saying “she’s not who you think she is” as it is that he’s saying “she’s narcissistic and mean, I know it and I’ll hold to my vows.” The only thing I know for certain in all of this is that John knows his wife affair better than her Twitter followers do. |
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matti
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Post by matti on Jun 22, 2021 20:59:03 GMT -4
No, what I was saying is that from his tweet, I think John makes it quite clear he knows who his wife is. The good, the bad, the ugly. Hence "complicit." He knows that side of her, he has seen her tweets and presumably the DMs telling at least one person to die. Those tea leaves are quite clear to me. And yes, that makes him problematic to me. I don't expect him to denounce his wife. He married her for better or worse. I can however draw my conclusions he's not the good guy he presents himself to be. I appreciate where that interpretation comes from. But I think it’s one of many interpretations from his words that can be drawn, and I don’t know how anyone who does not know them personally can be certain to be right. I see it as likely that he’s saying “she’s not who you think she is” as it is that he’s saying “she’s narcissistic and mean, I know it and I’ll hold to my vows.” The only thing I know for certain in all of this is that John knows his wife affair better than her Twitter followers do. It would nearly impossible for him NOT to know her better than her Twitter followers do. Probably a good idea to be vague as her more rabid fans would stroke out if they were told her husband has more insight than they. What struck me is that he stopped very short of saying she is “innocent / this is bs”. Could be that he doesn’t want to poke the crazy (CT stans), could be that he did all these things with her because she is a good person. Could mean yea she sucks - trust me guys I know. Wasn’t a declaration either way. I saw it as “ don’t go there - you don’t know her, I do.” I interpreted it as a weak, unimpressive support-ish statement. I would hope if my husband knew I wasn’t that person or wasn’t capable of those things he would be a little more clear and decisive about it LOL. |
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Post by lordofthefries on Jun 22, 2021 22:55:34 GMT -4
I would hope if my husband knew I wasn’t that person or wasn’t capable of those things he would be a little more clear and decisive about it LOL. I don't think her husband can claim that when Chrissy has acknowledged that the accusations, at least in the case of Stodden and unnamed others, are true so she is demonstrably both that person and capable of such things. |
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Post by laurenj on Jun 22, 2021 23:29:44 GMT -4
It sounds like what you’re saying here is that John is problematic because he’s not appreciating the social media conclusions about his wife, therefore is a bad guy. This is one case where I think the majority opinion is not likely the accurate one. I take John’s support for his wife as a message that he knows the social media conclusion is untrue, and he’s standing be the woman he actually knows. I think it’s a stretch to say he’s complicit. I think it’s more likely that he’s fine supporting her because he knows that the perception the general public has is false. He’s probably also smart enough to know that if he didn’t speak up, those same “experts” who insist they know her heart because of a few posts would also insist they know there’s trouble with and that he was admitting she’s terrible by not saying anything. When reading tea leaves, the first step needs to be acknowledging that sometimes you’re not seeing tea leaves but rather stains left behind by a really crappy dishwasher. No, what I was saying is that from his tweet, I think John makes it quite clear he knows who his wife is. The good, the bad, the ugly. Hence "complicit." He knows that side of her, he has seen her tweets and presumably the DMs telling at least one person to die. Those tea leaves are quite clear to me. And yes, that makes him problematic to me. I don't expect him to denounce his wife. He married her for better or worse. I can however draw my conclusions he's not the good guy he presents himself to be. Entirely off topic, but I doubt John Legend has warranted his own topic here, but my own personal reason for side-eyeing him is from the Hitsville USA: The Story of Motown documentary where he expresses such incredulity for musicians actually playing instruments. The documentary takes you through incredible songwriting and musicianship from the artists who are still living, plus some more contemporary people like Jamie Foxx and John Legend, and the latter's awe and wonder at the idea of musicians ACTUALLY playing piano or drums with no machines did not make me think much of his music. Back on-topic, I see that she has stepped away from the company she started with Kris Jenner. I'm sure she still gets money on the back end, but it looks good for them to part ways with her. |
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matti
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Post by matti on Jun 23, 2021 8:48:54 GMT -4
I would hope if my husband knew I wasn’t that person or wasn’t capable of those things he would be a little more clear and decisive about it LOL. I don't think her husband can claim that when Chrissy has acknowledged that the accusations, at least in the case of Stodden and unnamed others, are true so she is demonstrably both that person and capable of such things. Good point! Maybe he did the best that he could given the circumstances. I am old so my memory sucks .... but I swear when they were dating there was a lot of noise about him wanting to break up with her. Also a lot of “she embarrasses him” gossip items etc. I distinctly remember a few articles claiming that Chrissy wouldn’t ever let go of the guy who brings her fame by association. I remember being suprised when they actually got engaged because I was sure that relationship was on its way out. Obviously I was wrong! Gossip and biased reporting is not the best way to form an opinion, but here am I on this forum so no lessons learned for me LOL! My impresssion was that he was just your average celeb with an overinflated ego who was “tolerating” Chrissy. I am not so sure that Legend isn’t an ass all on his own. I kind of feel like the tables have turned and while her fame is actually notoriety right now, it seemed like she had eclipsed John in terms of celebrity status. Does John have a bevy of gushing Buzzfeed articles focused on his awesomeness..... |
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Post by mrspickles on Jun 23, 2021 12:11:05 GMT -4
When I read John's response, all I could think about was the lyrics to his song All of Me (from my possibly faulty memory)
All of me
Loves all of you.
Love your curves
And your edges
Your perfect imperfections
I wondered even then if Chrissy has addiction issues and she has mentioned alcohol in problematic ways.
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Post by deeconsistent on Jul 1, 2021 22:16:09 GMT -4
Man, this is a ride. All of it is evidence of why trial by internet is just not a good idea. Ok, this was a little ways back, but I just have to point out that this is exactly what would have happened in a court of law. We'd start out with some information and have an idea of how we felt. Some more info would come out during a trial, some of it would be factual, some would inaccurate, but that it might end up influencing our opinions. And more often than not, neither party is fault-free. I think it's fine to judge people in the public eye based on public information and to change your opinion if more information becomes available. It's not a failure of the internet age. As a society, we've been doing it for centuries. |
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