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Post by Binky on Jun 10, 2021 11:08:38 GMT -4
I still don't get what it is that they did that was so bad. The name? Moving away from the UK? Saying that they didn't like living the royal lifestyle? If I had to guess what has poisoned family relations aside from the general airing of family laundry to Oprah, the most is Harry's bizarre comment about his family being "stuck" in the Royal Family. I mean, I don't think the accusations of racism or ignoring a suicidal pregnant woman were appreciated, either, but those were much vaguer. He, son of the future monarch, went on Oprah and said that the monarchy is bad and bad for its members. I think a major goal of the Royal Family in the late 20th century to now has been to continue to exist, and I don't see how he can come back from saying that. Now, I think Harry is really stupid, and legitimately doesn't understand that the grandmother he loves so much is also the monarchy that he is attacking, and has been for 70 years (which is in fact being celebrated next year). Or he kind of does, and wanted to name his daughter after her as a symbol of his fealty. It sounds like he told her, rather than asked for permission, about the Lilibet name. I truly have no idea if the Queen cares about his usage of the name. Perhaps she cares that it was a statement and not a request? That would frankly make perfect sense with the rigidity and hierarchy that Harry was literally complaining about on Oprah. Now, should anyone care aside from Windsor-Mountbatten family? Probably not. But the RF decided to allow a source to leak that permission was not asked rather than let the Prince Harry Famiy Feud peter out. Either someone is super pissed OR has decided that continuing to feed it publicly is beneficial for some reason. I do think that Harry is largely coming off as petty, spoiled, whiny, and dumb. Even his valid complaints are vague or come with a side of spoiled entitlement and contradictory attention-seeking. He would frankly help his image just by shutting the eff up. If all the RF has to do to come out on top is continue to let him blab, while other members stay quiet, they gain instant sophistication AND provide distraction from actual scandal (Prince Andrew).
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Post by wixy on Jun 10, 2021 11:25:10 GMT -4
I still don't get what it is that they did that was so bad. The name? Moving away from the UK? Saying that they didn't like living the royal lifestyle? ... Now, I think Harry is really stupid, Your whole post was great, but I think this is the crux of it. I really think it comes down to this. Harry is, unfortunately, stupid. Lacking common sense, logic, comprehension, critical thinking skills. A very basic kind of stupid that fails at understanding normal things. This is a man who has spent 30+ years as part of the royal family yet failed to properly brief his wife. Talked about mental health consistently for years, but couldn't get his wife help. Too many examples to name. Maybe he's brilliant at arts and fixing cars or is a whiz at cryptocurrency or something, but I think he's simply stupid at normal life stuff that calls for logic, self-awareness, common sense. And he's arrogant. Stupid + arrogant makes for an ugly combination.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 11:28:18 GMT -4
It might well have occurred to any of them to use the nick name they may well be kicking themselves one or other didn’t because I’m sure The Queen wouldnt have minded if they did. I used Zara as her and her brother didn’t have to seek Her Majs approval and both have daughters with untraditional names I’m sure if Savanna or Lena had Lillibet intheir name or if one them was a Lillibet no one would have batted an eye lid. It just evil because it’s The Sussexes doing it.
I don’t get this idea either that they are onto the press after every phone call when it’s also being said there is no or not much communication between them either.
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Post by matti on Jun 10, 2021 11:35:40 GMT -4
Thinking it over, The Queen was kind of a stone cold bitch this week and I'm not sure how I feel about it. H&M have ragged on her life's work, her parenting, her official decisions, her use of the word royal, the word service, said her dying husband's hospitalization was a ploy to shut them up, called them racist, name dropped her constantly for their own gain, and all because they thought she'd remain silent. Then their baby is born, H&M name it after TQ, and for a split second it looks like a happy, positive move forward. Until the Queen says, "I'm not okay with that kid's name and Harry and Meghan aren't as close to me as they think." Damn. That's globally humiliating. It's almost cruel how much she ruined this happy moment in their lives and destroyed any perception that H&M are close to royalty. And they can't attack her for it because that would be treasonous. Not that they'd be executed, but they'd absolutely lose the titles. For once, H&M actually have to swallow the pill and take it. Wow. WowWhat is globally humiliating is being trashed to Oprah, Gale King and any other person who would take up their cause. Is there seriously anyone on the planet who believe H&M? They destroyed that perception themselves - victims of their own hubris. Unless I am missing something - H&M have been happy.. gleeful even - to attach the Queen ( they can fall back on semantics all they want but the Queen IS the monarchy. They have gotten away with their nonsense this far, they clearly thought QE would just take it as she always has. They are the ones who have turned the birth and naming of the child into an utter disgrace. I don’t care if they plan to call her “Lilli”, co-opting the Queen’s nickname ( the one used by her dead husband” ) is beyond the pale. I 100% believe they told her after the fact, because that is how they roll. Anyone who objects to their nonsense is a big ole racist meanie. As for Doria, she has been Markled. Megan doesn’t need her anymore - the wedding is over, she doesn’t need to “ show” everyone she hasn’t ostracized her entire family. “See I like my mom”. They are both so gross.
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Post by royalwave on Jun 10, 2021 11:39:10 GMT -4
Now, I think Harry is really stupid, and legitimately doesn't understand that the grandmother he loves so much is also the monarchy that he is attacking, and has been for 70 years (which is in fact being celebrated next year). Anyone else think the "institution" really, really, really hopes the Sussexes don't try to show up for next year's big celebration? You know they can't outright ban them because that would create another media firestorm, but maybe a few strategically timed press nuggets along the lines of the Queen failing to correct the BBC's account of the "Lilibet" name kerfuffle will convince the Sussexes that their presence will not be entirely welcomed. And really, why should they want to go to celebrate the long reign of the person who trapped Harry and is continuing to trap his father and brother? It doesn't track at all with their public statements, but then again, when has that ever mattered to them?
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Post by lordofthefries on Jun 10, 2021 11:39:45 GMT -4
I shouldn't be surprised, but it's funny that Sussex fans are aghast that the Sussex's newborn time is being taken over with this issue. The Sussexes are fanning this story - the initial press release, clarification that the Queen gave permission for the name, and the legal threat against the BBC are all from them. The sole contribution from the BRF is sanctioning a leak that the Queen did not give permission, which is a direct response after the Sussexes started a PR offensive following their baby's birth. Additionally, the Sussexes showed no sensitivity to the Queen having her husband of many decades on his deathbed or in the immediate aftermath of his death and instead have done multiple interviews directly attacking their family members during this time. Their hypocrisy is astounding.
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Post by royalwave on Jun 10, 2021 11:49:35 GMT -4
It might well have occurred to any of them to use the nick name they may well be kicking themselves one or other didn’t because I’m sure The Queen wouldnt have minded if they did. I used Zara as her and her brother didn’t have to seek Her Majs approval and both have daughters with untraditional names I’m sure if Savanna or Lena had Lillibet intheir name or if one them was a Lillibet no one would have batted an eye lid. It just evil because it’s The Sussexes doing it. Are there that many people that think Lilibet is a great choice for a given name? It's certainly not one of the more common variants on Elizabeth. I do think it makes a cute nickname and the story behind it is a nice little anecdote about the Queen, but I just really doubt anyone in the family is "kicking themselves" over not choosing it for their kids. Even the Sussexes aren't actually planning to use it in everyday life. They said right away they would be calling the baby Lili. So why not just name her Lili to begin with? They could still say it was an ode to the Queen. It's not an "evil" name choice. It's just a bizarre and possibly sort of disrespectful choice, particularly because the Queen clearly didn't give it her blessing. I sort of doubt she would have liked it for any of her great grandchildren, but yeah, it is a particularly galling choice coming from a grandson whose words and actions indicate he actually doesn't really support the Queen and her life's work.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 10, 2021 11:51:42 GMT -4
If I had to guess what has poisoned family relations aside from the general airing of family laundry to Oprah, the most is Harry's bizarre comment about his family being "stuck" in the Royal Family. One of the few times Oprah pushed back on Harry was when he smugly said he felt sorry for his family members who are still "trapped". Oprah said, "Whoa whoa whoa, do THEY think they are trapped, or do YOU ALL just think that because you left?" Like yeah, Harry wants to believe their lives are horrible so he can feel better about his own choices. People act as if Harry's family members have no right to take personal insults like that personally. It's always Harry's family who are supposed to "be the bigger person" and let everything go, while Harry and Meghan never do. Every battle Harry and Meghan take on that's not about money is about their wounded pride.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 11:53:27 GMT -4
So they fanning headlines and story that is actually negatively portraying them. Thats an usual tactic I will say. .
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Post by luckylexie on Jun 10, 2021 11:55:35 GMT -4
I still don't get what it is that they did that was so bad. The name? Moving away from the UK? Saying that they didn't like living the royal lifestyle? They want their cake and eat it too. They talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say the BRF are trapped and don’t even know it, but they complain that Archie wasn’t given a title. Harry and Meghan want the glory and perks of being royal, but they also want to make money off their association and titles. They don’t want to live a life of public service and duty to the people of the UK and the Commonwealth. They want to live a life of glamour in their beachside mansion and lord their titles over Hollywood. I truly believe they think themselves as super A-list in Hollywood now and everyone wants to be their friend. In any case, it’s propelled Meghan into the social stratosphere, so it still ain’t half bad despite their constant fumbles. ETA: I truly hope the BRF has a strategic comms plan to handle the possibility of H&M returning to London for the Platinum Jubilee. A lot can happen between now and then, but if tensions are still what they are and they STILL decide to attend, there needs to be a plan so that they don’t overshadow the festivities and use the occasion as their triumphant return, complete with balcony appearance with their children. They don’t deserve any of those perks after they way they’ve trashed the family.
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