Angelina Jolie II

[prisma]

I've always appreciated that Angelina encouraged her kids to be themselves and pursue their own interests. It seems like all the other celebspawn are only interested in going into entertainment/influencer careers.

[ladyboy]

Her Golden Girls ensembles are just so blah.

[tiggertoo]

My favourite part of the evening was the South Korean president singing American Pie.

Angelina looked nice.

[prisma]

I loved the singing. It was really earnest and you could tell the song meant a lot to him. Sweet moment.

[Ladybug]

Vanity Fair published an extensive article about Angelina and Brad's battle over Miraval.

The story of Miraval parallels the story of Jolie and Pitt. As their legal battle stretches ever onward, their dueling lawsuits offer competing versions of a dark and disturbing saga. In Jolie’s telling, it’s a tale of alcohol abuse and financial control. For Pitt, it’s one of vengeance and retribution. Neither can deny its sheer dramatic force. There are echoes, even, of the movie that brought them together, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, in which they played a “married couple” per IMDB, “surprised to learn that they are both assassins hired by competing agencies to kill each other.”

Brad is like the Paul Giamatti character in Sideways who used his wine hobby to cover up his alcoholism. He really got into winemaking.

[kali]

Yeah, I feel like that aspect of the story has never gotten the attention it deserves. Trying to brush aside your admitted physical and verbal abuse as a side affect of your alcoholism while also going to war with your abuse victim over her NOT wanting to be financially tied to your alcohol empire feel like conflicting narratives. To say the least.

This is the part of the story that really broke my brain.

For some, it’s simply a human tragedy. “I hope you’ll give some grace to somebody who had a breakdown,” says one person who knew the family. “Everybody was shocked by the eruption on the plane, because Brad is not an abusive person. But even more devastating was what came afterwards: Brad being alienated from those he loves most—his children.”

Cause if he's surrounded by people saying his "breakdown" deserves grace and the REAL tragedy is him not being forgiven for it? It kind of explains a lot about the bubble he's existing in and why his relationship with his kids has never recovered.

As for the lawsuit itself, I just still don't get how Brad has a leg to stand on. It seems like the whole thing hinges on a verbal promise he claims they made to each other to never sell to anyone else. I had to laugh when it was revealed Angelina's team wanted to add that condition into the contracts at the time and he said no and that he gifted her 10% of the estate as a wedding gift to make them 50/50 and now wants to take it back. I just don't see how "back when we were in love, and being equal partners seemed romantic, we vowed it was forever, but now I hate her" is going to stand up in court.

[cubanitafresca]

Jun 15, 2023 6:05:38 GMT -4 kali said:

This is the part of the story that really broke my brain.

For some, it’s simply a human tragedy. “I hope you’ll give some grace to somebody who had a breakdown,” says one person who knew the family. “Everybody was shocked by the eruption on the plane, because Brad is not an abusive person. But even more devastating was what came afterwards: Brad being alienated from those he loves most—his children.”

Cause if he's surrounded by people saying his "breakdown" deserves grace and the REAL tragedy is him not being forgiven for it? It kind of explains a lot about the bubble he's existing in and why his relationship with his kids has never recovered.

It sounds like a dry drunk situation. He may be sober but still doesn't fully grasp the psychological damage that he did or that just saying "Sorry!" doesn't make everything right. He has to work to earn back the kids' trust, but he'd rather blame Angelina for "alienating" the kids than look in the mirror.

Granted I've always been an Angie fangirl, but the more info that trickles out about Brad, the more I admire her. She's really fought for her kids, and it couldn't be easy when Brad has always been the popular good guy. The fact that the kids don't seem to be typical celeb brats says a lot - and that's due mostly to her imo.

[Auroranorth]

Jun 15, 2023 6:05:38 GMT -4 kali said:

Yeah, I feel like that aspect of the story has never gotten the attention it deserves. Trying to brush aside your admitted physical and verbal abuse as a side affect of your alcoholism while also going to war with your abuse victim over her NOT wanting to be financially tied to your alcohol empire feel like conflicting narratives. To say the least.

This is the part of the story that really broke my brain.

For some, it’s simply a human tragedy. “I hope you’ll give some grace to somebody who had a breakdown,” says one person who knew the family. “Everybody was shocked by the eruption on the plane, because Brad is not an abusive person. But even more devastating was what came afterwards: Brad being alienated from those he loves most—his children.”

Cause if he's surrounded by people saying his "breakdown" deserves grace and the REAL tragedy is him not being forgiven for it? It kind of explains a lot about the bubble he's existing in and why his relationship with his kids has never recovered.

As for the lawsuit itself, I just still don't get how Brad has a leg to stand on. It seems like the whole thing hinges on a verbal promise he claims they made to each other to never sell to anyone else. I had to laugh when it was revealed Angelina's team wanted to add that condition into the contracts at the time and he said no and that he gifted her 10% of the estate as a wedding gift to make them 50/50 and now wants to take it back. I just don't see how "back when we were in love, and being equal partners seemed romantic, we vowed it was forever, but now I hate her" is going to stand up in court.

Agreed. I think Brad gets a whole lot of coddling and tongue baths from his team, and very little that makes him be accountable and take responsibility. Angelina's team gave him the option to add the condition to sell, and he deliberately chose not to. Then he willingly gave her 10%. He created this situation, and now he's furious that she's not rolling over to give him what he wants.

[cremetangerine82]

I used to work at Trader Joe’s, and I remember they had a bottle of the Miraval rosé. It was OK tasting, but not worth $30. I also really appreciate Angelina for coming out on this because she was getting a lot of grief from keeping Brad Pitt away from her kids. Frankly, I really don’t think Brad should have relationship with the kids after the abuse they have suffered.

[kali]

Jun 15, 2023 21:07:11 GMT -4 Auroranorth said:

Agreed. I think Brad gets a whole lot of coddling and tongue baths from his team, and very little that makes him be accountable and take responsibility. Angelina's team gave him the option to add the condition to sell, and he deliberately chose not to. Then he willingly gave her 10%. He created this situation, and now he's furious that she's not rolling over to give him what he wants.

And the irony is, she WAS rolling over to give him what he wanted, and he decided to get cute with it. I keep getting stuck on how she ended up selling it for $12 million more than what Brad was going to pay. He was really so close to getting everything he wanted AND getting it for a steal before HE "stepped back" from the deal in March 2021.

In a way, it sort of explains how angry he is. He went from basically being sole owner by freezing Angelina out of all decisions, to almost being legal sole owner, to now having strangers breathing down his neck and not letting him do anything on his own. But like you said, he created this situation himself, and I don't really see a way out at this point. It's not even in Angelina's control anymore.