Angelina Jolie II

[royalwave]

Jun 15, 2023 6:05:38 GMT -4 kali said:

Cause if he's surrounded by people saying his "breakdown" deserves grace and the REAL tragedy is him not being forgiven for it? It kind of explains a lot about the bubble he's existing in and why his relationship with his kids has never recovered.

I've always felt there has to be more to this story than the incident on the plane. The Vanity Fair article kind of glances over how Brad was always using something--and he claims all that ended once he had kids, except maybe the day drinking. While the flight sounds terrible, I question whether the relationship would have imploded in such spectacular fashion if it was a totally out of character, isolated incident. I am more inclined to believe it was the straw that broke the camel's back, and there had to be a number of other incidents leading up to it.

Kids are resilient, and typically pretty forgiving. The fact that it has taken so long to repair relationships with them (and it sounds like he'll maybe never have a good relationship with Maddox again) also suggests there's a bigger backstory.

[Ladybug]

Oct 24, 2019 13:25:06 GMT -4 royalwave said:

I've always felt there has to be more to this story than the incident on the plane. The Vanity Fair article kind of glances over how Brad was always using something--and he claims all that ended once he had kids, except maybe the day drinking. While the flight sounds terrible, I question whether the relationship would have imploded in such spectacular fashion if it was a totally out of character, isolated incident. I am more inclined to believe it was the straw that broke the camel's back, and there had to be a number of other incidents leading up to it.

Kids are resilient, and typically pretty forgiving. The fact that it has taken so long to repair relationships with them (and it sounds like he'll maybe never have a good relationship with Maddox again) also suggests there's a bigger backstory.

Agree 100%. The article states that Brad and Angie had been having problems for about a year before the plane incident, but didn't fight in front of their kids. That doesn't mean the kids, especially the older ones, weren't aware of the tension in their parents' relationship. It's very likely that there were other incidents that just weren't as violent or nasty, but enough to qualify as "family strife." By his own admission, Brad relied on some kind of mind-altering substance, either pot or alcohol, to get through the day. That is not a normal or healthy use of marijuana or alcohol. Obviously what happened on the plane was Angie's wake-up call that she needed to get her kids away from him.

I have always stated that if Brad addressed his addiction disorder and violent behavior and sought real forgiveness from his kids, he should have an opportunity to rebuild a relationship with them. The older kids seem to have chosen to cut ties. If the younger ones choose to maintain a bond with him, and he's not abusive or using, then I hope Angie will respect her kids' choice. I certainly understand why she wants to move on from the relationship and the stupid wine business.

[kali]

I think you also can't underestimate how damaging the aftermath of that incident was either though. It's been so long now, and we know so much more about what happened than we did at the time. But Brad's team came out of the gate swinging at Angelina. First they seemed to be pushing stories about Angelina being in a jealous rage over Marion Cotillard, and then as the rumors about abuse starting trickling out, they went into hard core damage control.

I mean, this was his team's first basically "official" word on the matter to pr-mouthpiece People.

The source says Pitt did not hurt his son. "He is emphatic that it did not reach the level of physical abuse, that no one was physically harmed. He did not hit his child in the face in any way. He did not do that; he is emphatic about that. He put his hands on him, yes, because the confrontation was nose to nose and was spiraling out of control."

Any accusations beyond that are "a combination of exaggerations and lies," the Pitt source contends, blaming sources close to Jolie. "They have taken the overall smallest kernel of truth – that a fight in which Brad was somewhat inebriated got out of hand and reached a regrettable peak, and that as a result DCFS is looking into it – and they are manipulating it to best suit their attempts to gain custody."

And from E!

"This comes down to the kind of disagreements that sometimes occur between teenage boys and their father. This is where this situation has spiraled from, and Angelina as a mother can be very protective."

Now, knowing what we know NOW, if you're one of the kids who is like a week out from this incident, and THIS is your dad's reaction? Are you really thinking he's that sorry? Are you really thinking you are his priority at all? It's hard to forgive someone who doesn't seem particularly invested in even asking for it.

Things may have gone very differently if Brad hadn't attacked Angelina when he knew perfectly well what he'd just put her through, and if he hadn't been so desperate to spin this as just typical dad/son conflict stuff that was being blown out of proportion.

[batmom]

Batboy is estranged from Batguy for similar reasons - Batguy never physically hurt batboy but he used his size to intimidate. It is normal for things to come to a head when children in this situation reach adolescence because that's also when the domination tactics stop being so effective.

While it's possible for a child to become estranged after one incident it's far more likely that it was a culmination of things.

[cubanitafresca]

An Instagram post of Pax's from 2020 just came to light and boy is it a doozy

The full Instagram post from 2020, reportedly written by Pax, says:

"Happy Father's Day to this world-class a***hole!

"You time and time and again prove yourself to be a terrible and despicable person. You have no consideration or empathy toward your four youngest children who tremble in fear when in your presence. You will never understand the damage you have done to my family because you are incapable of doing so.

"You have made the lives of those closest to me a constant hell. You may tell yourself and the world whatever you want, but the truth will come to light someday.

"So, Happy Father's Day, you f***ing awful human being!"

The four youngest are Zahara, Shiloh, Knox and Vivienna - I think they were between 11 and 8 when the plane incident happened? It's heartbreaking to think how traumatic the experience was for them.

I'm guessing the fact that he hasn't deleted it means he's still pissed at Brad.

And Zahara Marley Jolie has apparently stopped using the Pitt name.

[cremetangerine82]

Yeah, this really looks like the plane incident was the last straw for the kids. I'm glad Angie was able to release the full details.

[Ladybug]

I am thinking of the Jackie Kennedy quote: "If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do matters very much." Brad bungled raising his children. I can't imagine doing something so horrible that my kids would not even want my name. Yeah, I'm sure Angie does nothing to encourage a reconciliation, but Brad sure gave her a lot of ammunition.

[scarlet]

On her 18th birthday, Shiloh filed documents to legally drop Pitt from her name. I’m on my phone and can’t link, but TMZ broke the story first (of course).

[cancan]

May 31, 2024 12:17:54 GMT -4 scarlet said:

On her 18th birthday, Shiloh filed documents to legally drop Pitt from her name. I’m on my phone and can’t link, but TMZ broke the story first (of course).

Good for her. F that guy.

[cubanitafresca]

It’s interesting because a few months ago there were several stories about how Brad and Shiloh had a great relationship and she was moving in with him. So were those all lies? Or did something else happen?