Angelina Jolie II

[famvir]

Aug 2, 2022 12:48:28 GMT -4 tanyak said:

Angelina and I are the same, exact age (47). I've been electric sliding since I was 10. Is there really that much of a cultural divide? Don't white people electric slide at weddings? How does she not know this by now?!

Does she know the chicken dance? That's the big fav here!

The schottische, the polka? There are at least 5 polkas per wedding. And Journey. Always Journey.

[ennazus]

I can totally relate to her awkwardness…. I’ve never been able to do group dancing well.

[chitowngirl]

I quickly learned there is no hiding in the back doing the Electric Slide. You have to hide in the middle

[cancan]

This is completely f'ed up, if true. I would like to know why Brad Pitt was not charged.

"Jolie said that her then-husband, who had been drinking, took her to the restroom where he “grabbed her by the head, shaking her,” and also shook her by the shoulders as they argued over one of their children."

"...Pitt then allegedly ran toward the child but Jolie held him back, suffering injuries to her back and elbow in the process."

"She submitted photos of her alleged injuries to the FBI for the report and also journals from the kids. At another point during the flight, according to the initial FBI report, Jolie said that Pitt poured beer on her as she tried to sleep. At the end of the flight, Jolie claimed that Pitt held the family back from de-planing for about 20 minutes after she told him she was taking the kids to a hotel in California to rest. She said he yelled, “You’re not taking my f–king kids’ and that he pushed her."

If my husband did that to me, and I reported it, you better believe he'd be charged.

[Ginger]

I think the issue has to do with jurisdiction. It's federal jurisdiction, which is why the FBI was called, and federal domestic violence laws aren't designed to address this type of incident.

I think in pretty much every state, shaking someone, yelling, and causing them to bruise their elbow is going to be a misdemeanor. But in this case, no state had jurisdiction.

Pitt wasn't charged, but a lot of other measures were taken: DCFS was waiting for them when they arrived, Brad lost access to the kids, Angelina obtained a restraining order, etc.

Interesting to note that this report absolves Pitt of the rumor that he struck Maddox.

[ahah]

I think the other factor that most people can't get their heads around if they have not experienced it is the complexity of Brad actually being her husband. I just read a book that dealt with this, so it's top of mind for me right now. I think it's easy when we see a story in the news to imagine things in terms of "if my loved one did this, I'd react in this way". We can say it in a vacuum without all the history of the relationship. I can evaluate Brad Pitt as simply that guy who was in Thelma and Louise, broke Jennifer Anniston's heart, then behaved badly on a plane. But Angelina is going to evaluate him as the guy who behaved badly, scared her, couldn't control himself AND woo'd her while filming a movie, fell in love, treated her kids so well, swept her off her feet, smelled when he didn't shower each day, annoyed her when he slept too much while she was taking care of babies, and was really great in bed. She's going to look at a future without him with all the challenges of raising kids alone, having kids torn between two households like she grew up with and knows the hardship, etc. It's a lot easier to judge things on the circumstances when you don't have to deal with all the other circumstances that Angelina would have.

[Ladybug]

That's the most detailed account of the plane incident that I have read. Maddox is probably the unnamed kid he lunged for. Seeing one parent abusing another has got to be really scary and upsetting, I feel for the kids. I hope Brad is telling the truth when he says he's sober and has worked on his issues. Angie does not want her kids to have a relationship with him, but ultimately it is their choice. I don't think putting all this out into the public sphere is healthy either, but I guess if you're in Angie's shoes and you see him winning an Oscar and having the #1 movie in the country you might like to remind people that he attacked you in a plane bathroom right near your kids.

[Ginger]

It's sad to hear the report because I'm sure it wasn't the first time something similar had happened. I applaud Angelina for decisively putting an end to it. Even in the absence of details, I always thought she did the right thing. And Brad clearly needed to get sober, so it was ultimately the right thing to happen for him too.

I never believed, and still don't after hearing the details, that what happened on the plane should mean Brad never gets to have a relationship with his kids ever again, even after getting sober and going through years and years of family therapy and supervised custody.

It's been really annoying reading about anything Pitt/Jolie related on Oh No They Didn't (and the Deux Moi subreddit, which seems to take a lot of its posts directly from ONTD). I don't understand people taking pleasure in the idea that Pitt continues to be a bad father, and that he doesn't care about or having any interest in his children. That's clearly what they want to believe, which is really messed up. They want to believe that 6 kids are permanently estranged from their father just so they don't have to complicate their Team Angelina stance in any way.

There was a post on ONTD where they said that Brad learned about Zahara going to college on a red carpet, which plainly wasn't true and the OP knew it. Brad was asked a question about it, and he answered. There was no reason to believe he was lacking in knowledge. (And despite Angelina being the only parent who is seen with the children in photo ops and on social media, I don't believe that means Brad doesn't see the kids. He said in one of his custody filings long ago that he didn't agree with Angelina's decision to expose the kids that way and wasn't going to do so himself.)

[kali]

Nah, I am not here for pretending Brad hasn't been seen with his kids in 6 years because he's just so much more respectful of them than Angelina. Who I guess whores them out doing things like going on college tours or taking them to dance class.

And I definitely got the sense that he was hearing about Zahara's college plans for the first time.

I don't think anyone relishes kids having a non-existent relationship with their father. But nor are people going to pretend it's all good there when it's clearly not. He's Brad Pitt. He has all the money and power in the world, and yet he's on 6 years of not getting partial custody of his kids, not being seen with them, not even random fan pics or sightings. Occam's razor says he probably doesn't see them much. And rumors are he doesn't seen the oldest three at all.

[Ginger]

Jul 1, 2008 23:07:20 GMT -4 kali said:

Occam's razor says he probably doesn't see them much. And rumors are he doesn't seen the oldest three at all.

Occam's razor also says having a mother who has battled tooth and nail for 6 years to let him see the kids as little as possible has contributed greatly to that situation.

Brad has visitation, and his home is a few minutes away. All behind gates, and not photographable. I think he sees the kids, but certainly doesn't spend time with them in the same way Angelina does - he can't. Angelina has money and power too. She's also someone who has filed a lawsuit over the FBI not charging him with a federal felony for bruising her elbow, so she's not giving an inch or letting go of what happened 6 years ago.

I don't buy at all that this is a situation like Tom Cruise and Suri where he just lost interest and stepped away, especially given that he's still fighting in court after all these years.

And I certainly don't believe that Extra read the announcement about his daughter's college plans and he didn't. If nothing else, he can read. That was wishful thinking on the part of people who very much do want to believe that those kids have a non-existent relationship with him.