Angelina Jolie II

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I'm not specifically a fan of Brad, but I am sure he's been seeing his kids, at least the younger ones. Doesn't he get visitation or some sort of partial custody?

[Ginger]

Since 2018, Angelina has had sole custody, and Brad has had visitation. He has been seeking joint custody.

In 2020, the private judge that both Angelina and Brad agreed to preside over the case (the same judge who married them in 2014) granted Brad joint custody. A few months later, Angelina successfully had the judge (and his decision) thrown out because of a conflict of interest between the judge and Brad's legal team. That set the whole case back to square 1 and no progress has been made since.

I think at this point, even the youngest kids probably aren't going to want to adopt a new living situation, regardless of how they feel about their father. Angelina's going to run out the clock.

[cubanitafresca]

Aug 17, 2022 10:17:49 GMT -4 Ginger said:

I never believed, and still don't after hearing the details, that what happened on the plane should mean Brad never gets to have a relationship with his kids ever again, even after getting sober and going through years and years of family therapy and supervised custody.

Maybe it shouldn't mean that he doesn't get to have a relationship with his kids. But he may not get that choice because it's also possible that the kids themselves don't want to see them. That sounds like a pretty traumatic experience to watch, and I think it's doubtful that it was a one off. This was probably just the straw the broke the camels back.

[kali]

Yeah, I don't think I can even imagine being an 8 or 12 year old and being trapped for HOURS with a ranting, violent drunk, with nowhere to escape.

ET has more info, including that he apparently said "That kid looks like a Columbine kid" and said he was "gonna kill someone, will you be happy then?" about, presumably, Maddox. And that he wouldn't let them deplane when they landed because Angelina intended to leave with the kids and go to a hotel.

Jolie claims Pitt exploded upon hearing this, allegedly saying, "You're not taking my f**king kids." As he continued to allegedly yell, Jolie claims Pitt jumped out of bed and pushed her. She claims they began fighting, and the altercation continued to the back door of the plane. Once at the door, Jolie claims Pitt pushed her down again and told the children that they were not getting off the plane.

The actress estimated that Pitt allegedly kept them from deplaning "for about 20 minutes." Once the family was off the plane, Jolie claims Pitt "grabbed her arm and turned her toward him. Then he grabbed her by the head and the shoulders and shook her." Jolie claims someone interjected and said, "Don’t hurt her." She also claims an unnamed person "saw what was happening and intervened."

Reading the whole thing, it really does seem like it was just hours and hours of abuse. So yeah, count me in as another who doubts this was the first time.

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Aug 17, 2022 23:46:05 GMT -4 cubanitafresca said:

Aug 17, 2022 10:17:49 GMT -4 Ginger said:

I never believed, and still don't after hearing the details, that what happened on the plane should mean Brad never gets to have a relationship with his kids ever again, even after getting sober and going through years and years of family therapy and supervised custody.

Maybe it shouldn't mean that he doesn't get to have a relationship with his kids. But he may not get that choice because it's also possible that the kids themselves don't want to see them. That sounds like a pretty traumatic experience to watch, and I think it's doubtful that it was a one off. This was probably just the straw the broke the camels back.

I expect that Maddox anyway isn't interested in a relationship with him.

[Ginger]

Dec 30, 2015 21:40:13 GMT -4 cubanitafresca said:

Maybe it shouldn't mean that he doesn't get to have a relationship with his kids. But he may not get that choice because it's also possible that the kids themselves don't want to see them.

I can understand the older kids being that way, especially Maddox. I don't believe that the younger kids, who were only 8 at the time of the plane incident, would be hanging on to it permanently unless they were being strongly encouraged to do so. Little kids don't do that.

[lae]

Its always been clear something abusive happened on that plane and, after hearing details, it’s highly unlikely that was the first and isolated incident. I do think it’s possible Pitt had a substance/alcohol abuse problem, went to rehab, and got sober because he loves his kids and wanted to change and have a relationship with them. I don’t believe that he is an evil man who can never change and should be kept from his family forever. I also believe that some things people can’t move past and the kids probably just don’t want to have a relationship with him anymore as they have witnessed a lot of trauma. That is their right and they shouldn’t be forced to. I’m sure they can make up their own minds, especially the older kids. I mean it’s totally possible that Angelina has completely brainwashed the children into hating their father but I find it more likely that his behavior made them want to distance themselves. You can control your actions but not the consequences and all that.

ETA: I don’t know if the younger kids have a relationship with him but little kids can definitely have strong feelings on their own. I was very young when my parents separated and I always knew my dad was pretty awful and I was uncomfortable around him. He loved to say my mom brainwashed me too. As an adult, I can see his faults very clearly, although I can also see my mom’s faults and negative contributions more vividly as well.

[Ladybug]

The whole situation is sad and I feel bad for everyone involved, mostly the children. I can see it from everyone's perspective.

[natalie]

Aug 17, 2022 21:44:32 GMT -4 Ginger said:

She's also someone who has filed a lawsuit over the FBI not charging him with a federal felony for bruising her elbow, so she's not giving an inch or letting go of what happened 6 years ago.

This is so disturbingly flippant. The rest of the report says he did not just bruise her elbow, he did that while trying to lunge at one of their children. The rest of the report also says he separately shoved her and spent a considerable amount of time elapsed where she and the children could not leave the plane either due to the plane being in motion or him preventing them from doing so, essentially keeping them captive while he violently attacked their surroundings and causing thousands of dollars of damage. It is certainly an interest to me why someone would not get charged for this behavior, which encompasses assault, property damage, and possibly false imprisonment depending on the facts of why she felt they were unable to leave the plane.

[Ginger]

Dec 12, 2006 1:21:32 GMT -4 natalie said:

This is so disturbingly flippant. The rest of the report says he did not just bruise her elbow, he did that while trying to lunge at one of their children. The rest of the report also says he separately shoved her and spent a considerable amount of time elapsed where she and the children could not leave the plane either due to the plane being in motion or him preventing them from doing so, essentially keeping them captive while he violently attacked their surroundings and causing thousands of dollars of damage. It is certainly an interest to me why someone would not get charged for this behavior, which encompasses assault, property damage, and possibly false imprisonment depending on the facts of why she felt they were unable to leave the plane.

Not to say that the incident wasn't abusive, horrible and incredibly traumatic to the family.

But in terms of chargeable offenses, Angelina suffered (according to her as the documents only relate her side of the story and not the complete investigation) a bruise on her elbow, a scrape resembling a rug burn on her hand, and an unspecified injury on her back that she says she showed to the FBI. Those are minor injuries that would warrant a misdemeanor assault charge.

But under federal jurisdiction, there is no such thing. They only have felony charges to choose from, and those are major crimes like stalking someone across state lines with a weapon. It just doesn't fit with what happened.

Property damage from the spilled red wine is n/a; that's up to the airplane company and they chose to be reimbursed. False imprisonment is beyond a huge stretch for what was described as 20-minute argument during which there was no physical restraint or threats made (other than the threat to leave her).

Saying that what Brad did doesn't merit federal felony charges is not the same as saying what he did wasn't bad.