Politics XVI: Democracy In The Balance

[ladyboy]

Just because some loonies on Fox made up a theory about Obama doesn't make it equivalent to what Trump and his cronies are actually laying ground work for. People aren't saying these things about Trump because they don't like his policies but because his policies literally lay the groundwork for these things to occur. I don't think the freaking ACA was a red carpet to ripping up the Constitution. And I have no idea what either of their wives have to do with this conversation.

Good for you that you don't think anything bad is going to happen under Trump. Good for you. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are going to be directly impacted by the crap he's lining up and cannot be so sanguine about it all. I think selling the US for parts and then working to maintain continual control is the probable playbook, and even just selling the US for parts is pretty alarming.

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Nov 22, 2024 17:20:52 GMT -4 ladyboy said:

Just because some loonies on Fox made up a theory about Obama doesn't make it equivalent to what Trump and his cronies are actually laying ground work for. People aren't saying these things about Trump because they don't like his policies but because his policies literally lay the groundwork for these things to occur. I don't think the freaking ACA was a red carpet to ripping up the Constitution. And I have no idea what either of their wives have to do with this conversation.

Good for you that you don't think anything bad is going to happen under Trump. Good for you. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are going to be directly impacted by the crap he's lining up and cannot be so sanguine about it all. I think selling the US for parts and then working to maintain continual control is the probable playbook, and even just selling the US for parts is pretty alarming.

The loonies at Fox insisted groundwork was being laid too.

I have not said I dont think anything bad is going to happen under Trump. Don't even have to go back and look - I'm certain I haven't said it, because I don't think it. But not thinking that does not mean that I am going to fall for every possible theory of anything bad that can happen. I am going to choose reason. I am going to look at the law, consider what would have to happen for things to happen and take it from there. Failure to back Ukraine - big concern because it can easily be done. Amending the Constitution -- I can't work out in my mind how that realistically gets done. If you have, I"m all ears.

[granolamom]

Obama was a constitutional law scholar who actually seemed to love the country, despite the s#!t that was constantly thrown at him by the GOP and half the citizenry. The fact that anyone would believe the theory that he'd run for a third term is a sad commentary on the lack of education in the US and the incredible spread of mis- and dis-information by the right. The "Don't trust the mainstream media" message started subtly with Reagan, blew up with Palin, and just got worse from there.

T***p tells us constantly that he doesn't care about norms, laws, tradition, or common sense. He told a crowd that if they voted for him in 2024, they won't have to vote again. He has said multiple times that he will pardon the J6 crowd. If he's still alive in 2028, he'll run.

[cremetangerine82]

Former babysitter to RFK Jr.'s kids speaks about sexual assault allegation.

This and not being a medical profession should be torching his chances!

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Nov 22, 2024 17:45:22 GMT -4 granolamom said:

Obama was a constitutional law scholar who actually seemed to love the country, despite the s#!t that was constantly thrown at him by the GOP and half the citizenry. The fact that anyone would believe the theory that he'd run for a third term is a sad commentary on the lack of education in the US and the incredible spread of mis- and dis-information by the right. The "Don't trust the mainstream media" message started subtly with Reagan, blew up with Palin, and just got worse from there.

T***p tells us constantly that he doesn't care about norms, laws, tradition, or common sense. He told a crowd that if they voted for him in 2024, they won't have to vote again. He has said multiple times that he will pardon the J6 crowd. If he's still alive in 2028, he'll run.

I think it’s much simpler than that. I think that it shows people will believe bad things about people they don’t support. That doesn’t mean bad people don’t do bad things - Trump proves that. But bad people doing bad things does not mean every bad thing predicted proves to be true.

[dragonflie]

Nov 22, 2024 20:08:04 GMT -4 cremetangerine82 said:

This and not being a medical profession should be torching his chances!

Actually: almost none of the Secretaries of HHS have been medical professionals in any way. I was surprised by this too- but if you look at the last 10-12 only 2 had any medical degrees of any kind! (only 1 had ANY medical experience in the past 35 years- and it was under Trump! for about 5 minutes- I had to go back to the late 80's to find another secretary of HHS that had any medical experience or education) I went back to the early 2000's- for 20+ years almost never has the head of HHS had any medical experience.

1989- GB the 1st as president- Louis Sullivan - actually has very thorough medical experience!
1993- BC as president- Donna Shalala as HHS- phd in public affairs.
2001- GB as president- Tommy Thompson as head of HHS- law degree
2005- GB as president- Mike Leavitt as head of HHS- has a business degree
2009- BO as president- Kathleen Sebelius as HHS- political science degree- masters in administration
2014- BO as president- Sylvia Burwell HHS- degrees in politics, economics, and philosophy.
2017- DT as president- Tom Price as HHS- he actually has a MD! (he didn't last long though)
2018- DT as president- Alex Azar HHS- law degree
2021- JB as president- Xavier Becerra HHS- law degree

[cremetangerine82]

Thanks for the info, dragonflie. I still find having an anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist in control of HHS deeply troubling.

[Spinderella]

From our friends at the Alt National Parks Service:

Attn: Yesterday, the Supreme Court revived the nondelegation doctrine, a legal theory that limits Congress’s ability to delegate power to federal agencies like the EPA—even if Congress wants to. This doctrine, last used in 1935, could cripple agencies’ ability to enforce critical regulations that protect what cannot protect itself—our forests, wildlife, waterways, and air. By restricting these powers, the Court has weakened safeguards against pollution and climate change, threatening the ecosystems we are entrusted to preserve. This decision favors polluters over preservation.

What prompted SCOTUS to revive it? If they're meddling for meddling sake, then this could just be the first of many shitty rulings they make.

[granolamom]

Nov 23, 2024 12:34:56 GMT -4 Spinderella said:

From our friends at the Alt National Parks Service:

Attn: Yesterday, the Supreme Court revived the nondelegation doctrine, a legal theory that limits Congress’s ability to delegate power to federal agencies like the EPA—even if Congress wants to. This doctrine, last used in 1935, could cripple agencies’ ability to enforce critical regulations that protect what cannot protect itself—our forests, wildlife, waterways, and air. By restricting these powers, the Court has weakened safeguards against pollution and climate change, threatening the ecosystems we are entrusted to preserve. This decision favors polluters over preservation.

What prompted SCOTUS to revive it? If they're meddling for meddling sake, then this could just be the first of many shitty rulings they make.

I think that's part of the "stripping for parts" equation. Open public lands for mining, drilling, and logging to make money now with no safeguards for the future.

[cremetangerine82]

Trump picks Brooke Rollins to be agriculture secretary.

As agriculture secretary, Rollins would advise the administration on how and whether to implement clean fuel tax credits for biofuels at a time when the sector is hoping to grow through the production of sustainable aviation fuel.
The nominee would also guide next year’s renegotiation of the U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade deal, in the shadow of disputes over Mexico’s attempt to bar imports of genetically modified corn and Canada’s dairy import quotas.

Sorry, EPA! Sorry, NAFTA!