Politics XVI: Democracy In The Balance

[Oxynia]

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[Spinderella]

I've been so conflicted about how we're going to handle the shit storm we're in right now. Biden is far too complacent if he loses instead of realizing that we are *thisclose* to getting Trump and losing all democracy in this country.

Since before the 2008 election I've always felt that our country would vote for a black man over a woman any day. We're way too up in women's business all.the.time. We couldn't even get Hilary to win against a HORRIBLE man that was so far from presidential that I'm still in awe that he won 8 years ago. So to think that we would get the votes we need to elect Kamala, to me, a fantasy. Is America desperate enough to vote for her against Trump? It might come to that, but I feel that right now it's far too risky of a gamble to make.

I've said it before, they should have been preparing for a different candidate these last four years instead of the last four months of this race. They knew Trump was going to run again last year at this time, so what was the big deal?! I think that Kamala has the ability and smarts to put Trump in his place, but I also think there are too many undecided voters that are going to determine this election's outcome and I feel they are probably too sexist/racist to vote blue no matter what.

[cremetangerine82]

Like Tupac once rapped "we ain't ready for a black president", this country ain't ready for a POTUS who happens to be a woman.

Vice President Kamala Harris is also a woman of color and has baggage (her relationship with Willie Brown, her tenure as AG of California) that'll turn her into a political non-starter for enough of the electorate. It's depressing because she's competent but she isn't inspiring. Sadly, Drumpf does inspire certain segments of Americans.

Joe Biden accidentally says he is the "first Black woman" to serve in White House.

I...I just can't with this.

[dragonflie]

This articulates my feelings so much:

Jon Stewart on why this matters

[cremetangerine82]

I'm so glad Jon Stewart's back on The Daily Show, his voice was sorely missed.

Donald Trump's chances of winning election suddenly slip.

...The most recent set of simulations showed that Trump won 511 out of 1,000 elections, Biden won 486 elections, and no winner could be declared in three elections. That equates to Trump winning 51 times out of 100, while Biden won 49 times out of 100.

In Wednesdays' results, Trump won 530 simulated elections, Biden won 467 elections, and no winner could be declared in three simulations. That equated to Trump winning 53 times out of 100, while Biden won 47 times out of 100.

"Four months out from Election Day, the 2024 presidential election is a pure toss-up," he said in the polling analysis. "Right now, President Joe Biden is favored to win in 486 out of 1,000 of our model's simulations of how the election could go, while former President Donald Trump wins in 511 of our simulations. There is still a small chance of the pure chaos scenario: In 3 simulations, no candidate wins a majority of Electoral College votes, which would throw the election to the House of Representatives."...

[Spinderella]

Jul 9, 2024 9:22:30 GMT -4 cremetangerine82 said:

Like Tupac once rapped "we ain't ready for a black president", this country ain't ready for a POTUS who happens to be a woman.

Vice President Kamala Harris is also a woman of color and has baggage (her relationship with Willie Brown, her tenure as AG of California) that'll turn her into a political non-starter for enough of the electorate. It's depressing because she's competent but she isn't inspiring. Sadly, Drumpf does inspire certain segments of Americans.

Joe Biden accidentally says he is the "first Black woman" to serve in White House.

I...I just can't with this.

And that's just it. A woman president is so difficult to win, let alone a woman of color. That to me is a sure-fire way to say, "The GOP nominee wins in a landslide". It sucks for sure, but let's be realistic. If the Democrats don't want to believe that's the world we live in, then we're in a lot of trouble. These choices they've made (or lack thereof) have put us into a very precarious position to where we're seriously looking like we'll all be starring in our own copy of The Handmaid's Tale.

[mojogirl]

In the old thread, ratscabies mentioned Project 2025. While most of it makes sense to me (as in, I understand why MAGA wants it), what is with the total ban on pornography? Is that for the Evangelicals? Because I believe they consume it at the same rate as non-Evangelicals, they just lie/feel guilty about it.

[ratscabies]

Jul 9, 2024 14:51:12 GMT -4 mojogirl said:

In the old thread, ratscabies mentioned Project 2025. While most of it makes sense to me (as in, I understand why MAGA wants it), what is with the total ban on pornography? Is that for the Evangelicals? Because I believe they consume it at the same rate as non-Evangelicals, they just lie/feel guilty about it.

Based on messages I have seen in hotel rooms in red states when I **TOTALLY ACCIDENTALLY NOT AT ALL ON PURPOSE REALLY** access *cough* adult content*cough* the right wing that want to ban porn are utterly preoccupied with tranny porn (formerly known industry wide as chicks with dicks), and sweet buttery jeebus, so MUCH banging my step son/daughter porn.

PornHub is well known for blocking all their favorite content when some busybody in the bible belt starts gunning for them, and when they do, there is a big red lettered screen explaining that since those of you in Trumplandia watch this particular style of porn, but insist on kink-shaming everyone else, we are taking this opportunity to let your similarly inclined constituents know why they can’t access their favorite bang-my-trans-step-daughter videos.

I’m guessing it all comes down, once again, to “I can, but I’m gonna prevent y’alls!”

[cremetangerine82]

The right wing has always had porn as a cultural bugbear that (according to them) destroys the heteronormative nuclear family and causes sexual violence.

The Meese Report in 1986 tried to link (unironically) porn consumption with the downfall of Western civilization, but the report became popular amongst porn aficionados because it listed SO many titles pre-Internet!

This article gives a lot of context and is a great read.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Project 2025 folks are pro-child marriage since right wingers see it as a corrective against abortion.

It's frightening that this agenda is out there, yet far too many Americans will shrug off any concerns.

[Spinderella]

I don't think that Gavin Newsom will try to go around Biden because he's being so supportive of him, but I think that he's the only one that can take on Trump at this point. He has the charisma, smarts, likeability (regardless of all the crazy GOPs in CA who hate him), and is YOUNGER. The Dems are just blowing it letting this keep going.