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Post by Ninja Bunny on Apr 14, 2012 2:57:39 GMT -4
I want to lock her in a room with Kirk Cameron and they can spend eternity scaring each other while the rest of the world forgets them.
Seems fitting.
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Post by narm on Apr 14, 2012 3:24:46 GMT -4
I kinda can't believe she is still kicking, while Whitney is gone. I guess you never can tell.
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Post by RabbitEars on Apr 14, 2012 10:38:55 GMT -4
Just saw the trailer for Hit So Hard[/color]. I always loved their music and had a sort of fascination with the whirling dervish that was Courtney Love, but damn, I just don't like drugs, and seeing young Frances in that mess back then still bugs me. |
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Post by Hamatron on Apr 14, 2012 12:36:15 GMT -4
Man, I would have loved that movie when I was 18. Alternative music really blew my mind when it hit the scene during my HS years. Now, it's really hard to listen to and I feel like watching documentaries on the big figures from that era is like watching a glam version of Intervention, which just guts me. I mean, so many people from the genre ended up dead from heroin or destroyed by drug abuse? I guess I grew up. Sometimes drugs are bad, kids.
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Post by jmc on Apr 14, 2012 13:37:33 GMT -4
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Post by carrier76 on Apr 14, 2012 13:42:56 GMT -4
Hamatron, we must be around the same age. I am interested in this movie because at the time this scene really blew up, I had my friend's Rolling Stone subscription, and the local alternative radio station, but that's it--we moved out to the country and didn't have cable anymore, so I didn't get to enjoy all of the MTV stuff I did in the very early 90s, and today I am still discovering and rediscovering these bands. (I just bought "Slanted and Enchanted" last year--I know!) I think it looks pretty interesting.
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Post by magazinewhore on Apr 14, 2012 16:33:13 GMT -4
Yeah, but in their defense you have to realize how nonsupportve the rest of the world was to the idea of anything alternative at the time. Yes, once Nirvana hit, it became huge, but for so many of those people, they were considered "losers" and "slackers" by the media, their families, and society for many years before they became famous. They were considered circus freaks. The 80s were not kind to people who didn't fit in. That wave of grunge (although they didn't call it that) was a giant F- you to the merciless conformity and consumerism of the 1980s.
As a now 42 year old, I was in college when that stuff hit, and you need to consider how shitty our generation was depicted in the media (again, this pre-Clinton, pre-Internet). Baby boomer media loved to write articles about how directionless and ambitionless they thought young people were. And as the forefront of that, I think grunge got tarred and feathered. Obviously no one was forcing drugs on them, but in context some of the drug use makes sense. And plenty of people didn't use. Dave Grohl for example. I think Kurt's suicide mythologized a lot of it. But the press wasn't kind to them before Kurt's suicide or Patty's overdose.
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Post by Ginger on Apr 14, 2012 17:54:35 GMT -4
A fond memory of my teenage years was sitting in the grass at Lollapalooza '95 and running into Patty Schemel. Hole was my favorite band, so to me Patty was a big star and I said hi to her. She had this stunned look on her face, like it was the first time anyone had ever recognized her.
Courtney loves to say how much Kurt "fucking hated his band so much" in the last year of his life as if it is an indictment of Krist and Dave. Kurt didn't like being around Krist and Dave because they didn't use drugs and had a hard time tolerating his hardcore heroin addiction and the really unpleasant person it made him. I'm sure it was much nicer for Kurt to be around other junkies (Patty Schemel) or tolerant enablers (Erik Erlandson).
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Post by Hamatron on Apr 14, 2012 19:16:44 GMT -4
Yeah, but in their defense you have to realize how nonsupportve the rest of the world was to the idea of anything alternative at the time. Yes, once Nirvana hit, it became huge, but for so many of those people, they were considered "losers" and "slackers" by the media, their families, and society for many years before they became famous. They were considered circus freaks. The 80s were not kind to people who didn't fit in. That wave of grunge (although they didn't call it that) was a giant F- you to the merciless conformity and consumerism of the 1980s. As a now 42 year old, I was in college when that stuff hit, and you need to consider how shitty our generation was depicted in the media (again, this pre-Clinton, pre-Internet). Baby boomer media loved to write articles about how directionless and ambitionless they thought young people were. And as the forefront of that, I think grunge got tarred and feathered. Obviously no one was forcing drugs on them, but in context some of the drug use makes sense. And plenty of people didn't use. Dave Grohl for example. I think Kurt's suicide mythologized a lot of it. But the press wasn't kind to them before Kurt's suicide or Patty's overdose. I get what you're saying. It's just hard for me to revisit music from that era because a lot of people didn't survive it. That was heartbreaking to watch as a teen/young adult. There was this weird vibe at the time in my HS that suicide could be cool/subversive, and to think about that now is really creepy to me. I'm sure teens have an equivalent nowadays... but still. The fashion, the subversiveness, and the activism from that era though? I carry it with me today and I can say it's still with me in the way I live my life. So it had a positive impact on me as well. |
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Post by magazinewhore on Apr 14, 2012 20:46:12 GMT -4
I agree. I have a hard time revisiting the music for the same reason. It sucks to see your youth that way. I kind of want to get the Eric book for that reason. On the other hand, I recoil to the idea of making money on his ghost, which I guess is also true.
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