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Post by kostgard on Jul 27, 2015 11:17:14 GMT -4
It's not the first story I've heard of him yelling at one of the "correspondents" from the show.
I suspect that like many comedians, Jon is actually a bit mercurial and it isn't all fun and games being around him.
To his credit, it does seem that he apologizes after these outbursts (not that they are cool in the first place, but he at least acknowledges that he was wrong to do it).
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Post by famvir on Jul 27, 2015 11:19:42 GMT -4
Wow, that's not a pretty story. I'm trying to come up with a good rationale for Jon's reaction & can't. I got one, Stewart is human, and he's in a writers session (which I imagine are pretty intense, he has a show to produce from whole-cloth four times a week), one of his minions objects to a gag, they have a tiff, and Stewart tells him to fuck off, then Jon apologizes. It happened 3 years go. This is a non starter story. I don't get it. I mean, he actually says "fuck off" with some regularity on his show, so it's not like he has an aversion to the words. I think I tell someone to fuck-off at least three times a week, and I'm a sweet Midwestern housewife. |
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Post by chonies on Jul 27, 2015 11:23:54 GMT -4
I haven't listened to the podcast but I read an account where Wyatt said he'd had been out of the office for a while, offered his concern and and then was told to eff off. I'm not apologizing for racism, but I can imagine that an eruption might have been more about process and uninvited critique, although that doesn't excuse Stewart's rage volcano.
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Post by Witchie on Jul 27, 2015 14:05:13 GMT -4
Days later and all I got from this story was that Jon didn't like what the writer said, not that he was a secret racist. Or am I way off base?
ETA: Ah. Okay. He touched a nerve, which is normal. No one ever thinks they may have latent racist tendencies until someone calls them on it. Then it's...I don't see racism in things or I have black friends. Whatever. I would hope Jon learned from this. Must admit I only see clips of his show when he says something profound.
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Post by Baby Fish Mouth on Jul 27, 2015 14:58:11 GMT -4
Yeah, everything I've read about this non-story points to Stewart simply being stressed, not racist. It's kind of crappy this came out right before his last two weeks.
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Post by Nysha on Jul 27, 2015 15:41:44 GMT -4
I didn't see it as racist, just inappropriate on 2 levels. One is as an employer talking to an employee and the other is a Black man telling a White man that his joke is offensive, which means it probably is. I've never told anyone to f-off & if my boss even thought about talking to me like that, I'd quit. But, I don't work in the entertainment business, so maybe it's different there.
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Post by Ginger on Jul 27, 2015 18:44:46 GMT -4
I didn't see it as racist, just inappropriate on 2 levels. One is as an employer talking to an employee and the other is a Black man telling a White man that his joke is offensive, which means it probably is. I've never told anyone to f-off & if my boss even thought about talking to me like that, I'd quit. But, I don't work in the entertainment business, so maybe it's different there. I do think writer's rooms are very different from normal workplaces and telling somebody to fuck off wouldn't be the same as my boss in my office saying it to me. It sounded to me like a conflict between a writer and the boss about a joke, which I'm sure happens all the time at The Daily Show. And in this case the joke happened to be about race, but I think the majority of jokes they hash out on that show are racially, politically or sexually charged so they are often going to get into sensitive areas. In regards to the basic issue, I would probably side with Wyatt because I thought the Herman Cain impression skirted the line. And it sounds like Jon's response was to be defensive and prickly. But on the other hand, that's Wyatt's side of the story. We don't know how he behaved when arguing his side. I haven't heard the podcast either, but I read that the initial question was whether he got along with Jon and his response was "Nah" and then he told this story. It's possible there was an ongoing personality conflict there. |
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Post by kateln on Jul 27, 2015 21:32:07 GMT -4
I think, and say this as someone who does this, that Jon Stewart is probably quick to react when put on the spot and then his brain catches up to him and he feels like shit and apologizes. I've heard Seth MacFarlane tell a story where he critiqued Jon for coming back to work during the writer strike, and got a horrible call from Jon afterwards.
It may also be that Wyatt got tired of putting up with it, or there was another conflict there. Again, I've had that happen to me, and it's one of the reason why I've made an effort to stop reacting before I think (though I have a LONG way to go). All over, I still like and admire Stewart, he's done a great deal of good in bringing a lot of government bureaucracy to light.
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Post by Witchie on Jul 27, 2015 22:48:21 GMT -4
Before this incident, Cenac idolized Stewart. He says he thought of him as a father figure and how Jon reacted really hurt him. Even after Jon apologized to him, Cenac said he couldn't shake it. Before the podcast, they were on speaking terms, even exchanging emails, so I'm not sure why he said they weren't friends.
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Post by chonies on Jul 28, 2015 12:07:52 GMT -4
It sounds like Cenac built Stewart up into something he wasn't, so the disappointment was extra crushing, which is something that can happen in any interpersonal relationship. Not to minimize it, of course, because not everyone has a national platform like Stewart does, but the way I'm reading the transcript, it sounds like Cenac's response was perhaps more emotional rather than academic. But I suppose I should take this afternoon to listen to the podcast.
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