Alec Baldwin

[berrybearie]

Alec has a long history of being a raging asshole, but in the past we only had direct evidence of him taking it out on adults.

Poor Ireland - two screwed-up parents and a geographical first name that doesn't really flow with her last name.

[plush]

Regarding visitation rights. Is Ireland old enough to have any say in all this? Can she declare preference with which parent she wants to live, is she asked by the judge to testify on her parents' conduct and does any of the things she says gets taken into consideration?

I mean, it seems like from what you say, it's a battle between Kim and Alec and what they can bring to the court to prove the other is wrong. By the way, I think they both love their daughter, but are too f*cking selfish and immature to get over their own personal vendettas for her sake.

As for Kim releasing the tape. She may have gone to the lawyer and not have used any public means to spare her daughter of the humiliation, but we don't really know what's the situation between them. Maybe Alec has better lawyers and she feels powerless to fight him in private. If she is convinced he emotionally abuses the daughter but the judge won't do nothing about it, then maybe she is desparate enough to go public in an attempt to shame him and get what she thinks is the best for the daughter. Maybe Ireland was ok with her leaking the tape in a moment when she was angry at him, who knows what the real deal is? Crazy parents though, that's for sure.

[margojata]

berrybearie said:

Alec has a long history of being a raging asshole, but in the past we only had direct evidence of him taking it out on adults.

Poor Ireland - two screwed-up parents and a geographical first name that doesn't really flow with her last name.

HA. Yeah, while I think Ireland is pretty in concept, it just doesn't seem to work in real life when you have to roll it off your tongue. Was she one of the first in a long line of "unusual" celebrity kid names?

[ladymadonna]

december said:

ladymadonna said:

If he engages in this kind of behavior on a regular basis (which we know he does, as he has been SEEN hitting Kim at least once before),

Shit when was this? Are there pics at all? My Alec Baldwin love is pretty much dead after today.

I could have sworn that there was an eyewitness account somewhere that Alec was spotted screaming at Kim and grabbing her or something. So, yeah, I TOTALLY believe the guy is abusive and I am no way defending him. I was just trying to point out that even the best parents can get frustrated and freak out on their kids, not that it's in anyway excusable.

It sounds to me like Kim is a battered woman who has some power and control issues herself. I just feel really sorry for poor Ireland, who really got dealt a crappy hand in the family department. I hope she ends up at a sane relatives house (NOT a Baldwin house, though. ) Poor thing.

[fflover]

Yeah, they both seem fucked up and crazy, and I think Baldwin's comments to his daughter was HIGHLY innapropriate, but I don't think that is enough to warrant termination of all his parental rights. Especially if Kim is doing what he is accusing her of. Years of skipping dates and taking away much contact to his daughter is bound to be frustrating, and believe it or not, if that is true, then I sympathize with him for that. But I also agree that he should have taken it up with Kim, not his daughter. But maybe she (the daughter) did something very disrespectful to him which warranted an angry response, not THAT angry of course, so don't think I condone his anger, but we really don't know the whole story, just his angry response to it.

And if Basinger released that to the press, than she is an asshole too.

[Yossarian]

Ireland's what? Eleven? If she didn't want to spend time with her father then there's probably a reason for that. Even if she didn't want to spend time with Alec just to keep the peace with her mother trying to bully and force Ireland into some daddy-daughter time is not really going to help things much. Especially if she gets called a pig in the process.

[memememe76]

According to Baldwin, Basinger is practicing parental alienation, which many child psychologists believe is a form of abuse.

I did a paper on parental alienation syndrome a few years ago, and this is what I learned--it's bunk. It was started by a Fathers' Rights activist and has had virtually no support from the psychology community. Maybe things have changed, but I doubt it.

[Yossarian]

memememe76 said:

According to Baldwin, Basinger is practicing parental alienation, which many child psychologists believe is a form of abuse.

I did a paper on parental alienation syndrome a few years ago, and this is what I learned--it's bunk. It was started by a Fathers' Rights activist and has had virtually no support from the psychology community. Maybe things have changed, but I doubt it.

Interesting - thanks for posting that. Why look at your own behaviour when you can blame someone else? Not that we know whether this is the case here.

[marleigh]

memememe76 said:

According to Baldwin, Basinger is practicing parental alienation, which many child psychologists believe is a form of abuse.

I did a paper on parental alienation syndrome a few years ago, and this is what I learned--it's bunk. It was started by a Fathers' Rights activist and has had virtually no support from the psychology community. Maybe things have changed, but I doubt it.

It's used quite frequently in custody cases. I'm sure you can argue it either way, but if you'd prefer to call it interference with custody, it is a legitimate issue.

Yossarian I wasn't in any way trying to excuse Baldwin's behavior or make excuses for it. I was merely trying to shed some light on his extenuating circumstances. But I'm out of this thread. When mods get snarky, it's time to go.

[Yossarian]

Hey! I wasn't being snarky! I thought that was a genuinely interesting point that parental alienation syndrome was developed by a father's groups - because that makes a lot of sense (some fathers won't take responsibility for the fact that their kids don't like them because they are asses - not because mommy told them to). Fathers' rights groups scare me.

I guess my post came across the wrong way.

The "why look at your own behaviour" line was directed at Alec, not you marleigh.