Shia LaBeouf

[Ladybug]

“I think this is a wake up call for Miss Flo.”

I can’t get over this. OW was begging Shia to not quit this film. I guess Miss Flo’s wake up call was that she would just have to get used to working with men who made her uncomfortable?

[Ridha]

Aug 26, 2022 20:55:26 GMT -4 technicolor said:

Idc about the movie or the people involved, but it's fascinating from a PR perspective that Wilde set herself on fire like this. A totally unforced error. I guess she thought she'd get away with her narrative since LaBeouf has been quiet so far.

But she styled herself a feminist icon who fired him to protect Pugh in a big trade publication interview. All the while knowing that he has hard evidence that contradicts her. Did she think none of this would ever come out? Now it's clear why Pugh distances herself from the film, Wilde created a hostile work environment for her and then tried to gaslight and manipulate her into doing promo and making herself look good. Yikes.

Yes there’s a similar bewilderment re Amber Heard’s full steam ahead confidence re Depp accusations despite evidence. I know there’s disagreement regarding that here but even if you think there was mutual abuse, in light of those tapes then in her place wouldn’t you have styled the accusations differently, to even make allowance for your own misbehaviour in the relationship in order to get ahead of that potential contradiction in the narrative? I think it might have a certain type of personality (or even psychological trait) to breezily press ahead with a narrative and claims that you know the other party has hard evidence for, somehow secure in the knowledge that nah they won’t use it.

I also find it troubling and worth some introspection that in both cases it took nothing less than hard evidence (and how often will that be available?) to contradict one side’s narrative; whether because of gender or prior reputation of other party.

I was impressed by Shia’s email in so far as it indicated some growth.

[Ginger]

Olivia hired him for this movie before FKA Twigs came forward about him, but I think he already had a solid and well-known reputation for being "combative" both in the workplace and out. It seems like Olivia bought into his whole Tortured Male Genius thing. I remember people at the time questioning why she would even hire him.

Jun 28, 2006 22:23:28 GMT -4 mrspickles said:

Oh, and right before she won her custody case, she was talking about moving her kids to UK, and right after she won, she starts talking all over the place, but in oblique terms, about Jason being a bad guy and that the way he served her (onstage at some presser) was deliberately cruel.

I'm surprised by how hard she's going after Jason Sudeikis. I don't know what purpose it's going to serve exactly.

Just a side note - ultimately, I don't think she's won much with that custody case. Jason wanted to move the kids to New York, Olivia fought it, and the judge determined that the family had to stay in California. Olivia plans to move herself and the kids to London in 2023 and by thwarting Jason's plan she probably thwarted her own.

Jun 22, 2021 13:36:50 GMT -4 Ridha said:

I was impressed by Shia’s email in so far as it indicated some growth.

I think his problem has probably never been an inability to write a good email. He's known for being manipulative.

[scarlet]

Mar 13, 2005 12:45:42 GMT -4 Ginger said:

I was impressed by Shia’s email in so far as it indicated some growth.

I think his problem has probably never been an inability to write a good email. He's known for being manipulative.

And into 'performance art.' I think he's got his sights on the Twigs trial and is laying the grounds for the "I'm reformed/hurt people hurt people" narrative.

[OnyxRose]

Aug 27, 2022 12:10:54 GMT -4 scarlet said:

Mar 13, 2005 12:45:42 GMT -4 Ginger said:

I was impressed by Shia’s email in so far as it indicated some growth.

I think his problem has probably never been an inability to write a good email. He's known for being manipulative.

And into 'performance art.' I think he's got his sights on the Twigs trial and is laying the grounds for the "I'm reformed/hurt people hurt people" narrative.

There was no reason for him to even mention Twigs’ name in that email but he’s definitely laying groundwork. He saw an opportunity and took it and it looks like it’s working with a few people.

I’ve never cared for OW in the first place and she was always suspect. She just handed Shia a lifeline.

[chiqui]

I saw this thread pop up and was mystified at all the talk of some movie with him and Olivia Wilde when the last post was his wife having a baby. But I read up on the drama. Seems Olivia was bending the truth a bit.

OTOH, Shia is still a douche. I'm happy his Mutt Lange character sank without a trace in the Indiana Jones franchise.

[WestEndGirl]

I don’t get the hype with Olivia (never saw Booksmart, didn’t watch House; mainly know of her from her “sex like marathon runners” comment about her and Jason Sudekis’ love life). I can’t stand Harry Styles. I don’t really have a dog in this fight but I feel like this movie has been on one long PR push since it started filming.

[Ladybug]

I thought Book Smart was overhyped. It wasn’t bad it just wasn’t as amazing as the reviews claimed it was. I also think I’m so far past the target demographic that I just couldn’t get into it.

I hope Twigs’s lawsuit brings her the resolution she desires and one that will bring her peace with the whole situation. And I hope that his words about working on himself are true and genuine. As of now he does seem to acknowledge his abuse and sounds contrite. But as he said in the email he has a family to support and needs work so he’s in major damage control mode.

[hellsbells]

Aug 26, 2022 20:55:26 GMT -4 technicolor said:

Idc about the movie or the people involved, but it's fascinating from a PR perspective that Wilde set herself on fire like this. A totally unforced error. I guess she thought she'd get away with her narrative since LaBeouf has been quiet so far.

But she styled herself a feminist icon who fired him to protect Pugh in a big trade publication interview. All the while knowing that he has hard evidence that contradicts her. Did she think none of this would ever come out? Now it's clear why Pugh distances herself from the film, Wilde created a hostile work environment for her and then tried to gaslight and manipulate her into doing promo and making herself look good. Yikes.

I'm sure her divorce with Sudeikis was more complicated than her cheating on him with Harry. Shia is not a good guy. But FP really seems to dislike OW, and it's become quite apparent why. Sudeikis is the winner in this PR battle. It may give Shia some cover, but he's been awful. I truly hope he's seen the light and can reform as he's claiming (mostly for the sake of his infant child), but I doubt it.

Olivia Wilde, though, man... it's WILD how she's made unforced error after unforced error with her stupid movie.

[sjankis630]

I'm sure her divorce with Sudeikis was more complicated than her cheating on him with Harry.

I would just like to add a small clarification here. They were never married. I believe the entire fight is just about who gets the kids.