Celine Dion

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Nov 11, 2009 7:09:16 GMT -4 @may2 said:

Isn't it unusual for in vitro pregnancies to miscarry?

Not at all. The miscarriage rates are the same no matter how you get pregnant. There's no guarantee that IVF embryos will even implant in the uterine wall, let alone make it to term. bitterntwisted is right, though, the odds weren't on her side for a successful pregnancy.

As far as her Canadian bona fides go, we Canucks seem to have endless goodwill for performers who carry the maple leaf passport, don't we? Neil Young left this country 40 years ago and never looked back but he could be elected King of Ontario tomorrow if he wanted to be.

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From what I've read, Celine announced her pregnancy almost immediately after an IVF attempt, which turned out to be unsuccessful. While it's really unfortunate that this happened, and unquestionably a painful experience, I question the wisdom of publicly announcing a pregnancy the very day you learn the news - something that was mentioned in the original confirmation. This is especially true when fertility treatments are involved, since these drugs can cause false positives on pregnancy tests.

I'm not trying to minimize Celine's situation, but she did make a choice to let the world know about her pregnancy when the odds of miscarriage were still very high. As someone who's had a miscarriage, I find that naive, at best, and at worst, attention seeking.

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Nov 11, 2009 16:45:39 GMT -4 @desireelegume said:

From what I've read, Celine announced her pregnancy almost immediately after an IVF attempt, which turned out to be unsuccessful. While it's really unfortunate that this happened, and unquestionably a painful experience, I question the wisdom of publicly announcing a pregnancy the very day you learn the news - something that was mentioned in the original confirmation.

I agree with this. The same thing happened to Lily Allen (although it was an unplanned pregnancy in her case,) she announced it almost as soon as she found out and then had to announce that she'd had a miscarriage. A miscarriage is painful enough without having the whole world know about it, I can only imagine how much more painful it is in that case.

[JeanBean]

At the risk of sounding mean, I am not surprised. Let's look at the facts here. You have a woman who had problems getting pregnant, postponed it, the father is a geriatric, has her first child through in vitro at age 32 and has to take bed rest to maintain the pregnancy. She is now 41 and the odds are not stacked in her favour. The eggs start going downhill on average at age 27 and sperm at age 35.

I agree with this - it does seem like chances are very slim that she will be successful. Still, it's sad. I don't wish that experience on anyone.

I also have to say, because I get on my soapbox about this...if it's that challenging to carry a child, why not ADOPT. <ok, off the soapbox>

[softtissue]

I think it's odd that they're trying again in October. I also had a failed IVF attempt this month and have to be completely off the meds for a month before we can try again. That involves weeks of BCP's and then all the injections. I wonder if she is using donor eggs.

I would love to adopt but my husband is not a US citizen which is a requirement to adopt at the agencies here. We also have insurance for IVF but not for adoption. I do not know what particular reasons Celine and her husband have for choosing IVF over adoption.

[Matilda]

Nov 11, 2009 21:12:42 GMT -4 softtissue said:

I think it's odd that they're trying again in October. I also had a failed IVF attempt this month and have to be completely off the meds for a month before we can try again. That involves weeks of BCP's and then all the injections. I wonder if she is using donor eggs.

I would love to adopt but my husband is not a US citizen which is a requirement to adopt at the agencies here. We also have insurance for IVF but not for adoption. I do not know what particular reasons Celine and her husband have for choosing IVF over adoption.

Don't they already have the embryos frozen from when she had her son? I haven't got any experience of IVF myself but I'd imagine that if you had some frozen embryos you'd probably try for a pregnancy using those before exploring other options.

[JeanBean]

I would love to adopt but my husband is not a US citizen which is a requirement to adopt at the agencies here. We also have insurance for IVF but not for adoption. I do not know what particular reasons Celine and her husband have for choosing IVF over adoption.

This is really interesting. Shameful, too, that there is insurance for IVF and not adoption (not shameful that it exists for IVF, just that it's not available for all ways to create a family). Thanks for sharing that info. Good luck to you guys!

[lpatrice]

I guess I just don't understand why she wants another child so bad....she already has one and Rene already has a few.

[angelaudie]

I guess I just don't understand why she wants another child so bad....she already has one and Rene already has a few.

I have a feeling Rene would be fine with the child they have but is willing to go through all this to make Celine happy. Celine comes from a large family so it's probably hard for her to imagine simply having one child. I doubt she envisioned having a family as large as the one she grew up in but I wouldn't be shocked she imagined having more than one child. She's probably having trouble letting go of the fantasy and accepting the reality. I'm not saying she needs to quit but she should definitely give this serious consideration and ask herself if all this pain she's experiencing worth it.

[Ladybug]

Nov 12, 2009 23:30:03 GMT -4 lpatrice said:

I guess I just don't understand why she wants another child so bad....she already has one and Rene already has a few.

I don't know, maybe she is just like the millions of other people in the world who choose to have multiple children. My husband and I are expecting #2. We just wanted another to have another child, simple as that.

I haven't liked reading the judgement directed at Celine for her reproductive choices. "She's having a baby at 41!?" "Why have fertility treatments? She should adopt!" "Why is she doing IVF?" Who gives a shit? Unless a person is doing something flat out crazy that will end up damaging to the resulting children (i.e. Octomom) then what is the problem with how someone chooses to create their family? These are very personal choices. I know a few people facing these challenges, and they are dealing with it in different ways that feel right for them.
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softtissue I hope things work out for you.