Brad Pitt

[Wol]

diablique I had no idea that Jillian Armenante is Maddox's godmother. I know she and Angelina got close during "Girl, Interrupted." That she's now on Brad's side is very telling. Jillian is wonderful and if she's switched sides I trust her judgment.

[cubanitafresca]

Man, I have such mixed feelings about this. It does seem like there's an element of parental alienation going on. At the same time, I feel so much empathy for Angelina. I have no doubt that Brad was abusive towards her - he clearly had issues and if he was abusive to one I'm sure he was abusive to all. (Personally, I would bet she saw more of it than the kids did - but once he started on the kids, that was her own personal line in the sand)

But Brad does seem to have put in the work to overcome his demons and should have a chance to heal his relationship with the kids.

And then I think about how many times we've seen Angelina give her own father a chance only to have him fuck her over and publicly humiliate her. And I'm sure she gave him many more chances than we've seen publicly. She's probably deeply scarred and fighting to protect her kids from what she experienced.

Honestly, it's just heartbreaking.

[diablique]

Mar 18, 2021 12:53:47 GMT -4 Ginger said:

I thought the case had been sealed? Or at least that Brad and Angelina both made good-faith commitments to stop leaking things to the press? Things have been quiet for a few years and it is suspicious that we are even hearing this information at all.

Zahara and Shiloh are 16, the twins will be twelve soon. It does seem like Angelina is stretching this out until the custody ruling is basically irrelevant and all of the kids can cut Brad out of their lives themselves.

Ginger. The documents that I've read have not been sealed. I'll take that back, the court order in May 2018, originally wasn't sealed. Court mistake. The press knew that there had been a hearing and it seems, were waiting for the outcome. They got the order from the courthouse. That order has been sealed since. It's still available online though as nothing really gets put back in the battle on the internet.

The press released their witness lists.

Some of the information is also straight from the court docket.

As for their kids testifying, that is not up to Brad and Angelina, but, at the judge's discretion. She'd already filed once to request they be allowed to, I believe in January. Don't quote me on that, it could have been earlier. Most likely because that request has been denied and she's refiling it for appeal. She's filed a few of the same things two times, likely, for the same reasons. When you intend to appeal, you continue to file motions that have been denied so you have a continuous record that they've been addressed again and again. It's like saying, well, if this was so important, why'd you just let it go.

IMO, she's wanted sole custody so she could move to the U.K. with the kids. She made a comment that she was tied to L.A. until the twins were 18. At that time, she had every intention of moving out of the U.S. She said that she was tied to L.A. because that is where their father chose to live and work.

First things first, that has been their primary residence since they got together. They didn't have another primary residence. The court decided that L.A. is their kids home base, because it's been their kids home base. And yes, the movies that Brad has filmed since they broke up have been filmed in the L.A. area. He just finished his 3rd and his 4th will be filmed in L.A. His production company is based in L.A.

The kids are now going to public/well for them private school and not being homeschooled. Brad seemingly won that battle. He was seen touring the schools where the kids are going. Well, were going to or about to begin before COVID. That will also tie Angelina to L.A., as she won't be able to pull their kids out of school if she chooses to work out of the country. I guess, she could pull them out of school IF she has Brad's agreement that she can.

[kali]

I mean, we'll never know unless one of the kids does a tell-all, but observing from the outside, I've NEVER felt Brad's "done the work". I'm honestly expecting him to pick up with another 30-year old and try the family thing again in the next few years. His kids feel SO far down on his list of priorities. He's on vacation with Flea, bringing 20-something models to fuck in their family home, seems to have completely given up on Maddox and Pax, and is more concerned with feeding the gossip mill with phony Jen reunion rumors than with actually acting like a 50-something father of six. I spent most of last awards season wondering what it would feel like to be one of his kids, watching him party with Leo, not mention them during his acceptance speeches, and be "clean and sober" throughout.

[Mugsy]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Angelina is batshit, and this is just another thing on her list. Does/did Brad have issues? Yes. Did Angelina manage to tamp down the crazy during her kids' formative years? Looks like it. Doesn't mean it's not always lurking there.

[famvir]

Mar 18, 2021 18:28:00 GMT -4 Mugsy said:

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Angelina is batshit, and this is just another thing on her list. Does/did Brad have issues? Yes. Did Angelina manage to tamp down the crazy during her kids' formative years? Looks like it. Doesn't mean it's not always lurking there.

I mean, she did heroin, had that blood neckless thing with Billy Bob, bragged about screwing him in the limo before the Oscars, and French kissed her brother. As far as I can tell Brad smoked/smokes weed, nude swam with Gwyneth, and currently may be dating younger women?

The courts are there to figure the rest of this out. I’m glad Brad is staying in his kids lives. He’s working close by and doesn’t want them separated to another country. They need both parents, and it’s up to the courts to weigh this out, hear testimony and decide what is best for the kids.

[Binky]

I wonder if Jolie legally requires permission from Pitt before releasing family photos. She has done a few, and he has done none. I don’t think that means he never sees the kids, but it definitely contributes to the vague perception that he’s not involved. All sources online indicate he has regular custody of the younger ones.

[MrsOldManBalls]

Personally I wouldn’t hang out with Brad or Angie. Hopefully the courts are making sure the kids have good therapists and nannies.

[lae]

I had no ideas the divorce had been going on this long. They have been divorcing longer than they were married. When the news story came out that Brad went after one of the kids in the airplane, I thought the rumor was that he went after Angelina and Maddox stepped in. Regardless, I don’t find it hard to believe that he was being abusive towards her. If he did have substance abuse problems and was abusive I also don’t think it’s a stretch that the kids wouldn’t want to mend their relationship with him either. That said Angelina has also seemed unstable to me in the past and I don’t know how much of that has changed, it does seem like Brad is complying with what he needs to, and it seems like Angelina would be more than happy if he were out of the picture forever. I believe her last lawyer quit and it seems like the court is not in favor of her. I know our justice system can suck but that does seem strange to me. I feel for the kids. Honestly, as a child of a bitterly divorced couple, I can’t even imagine how traumatic it would have been for me to have to testify in court about my parents. I hope the kids don’t have to.

[Ginger]

Jul 1, 2008 23:07:20 GMT -4 kali said:

I've NEVER felt Brad's "done the work". I'm honestly expecting him to pick up with another 30-year old and try the family thing again in the next few years. His kids feel SO far down on his list of priorities. He's on vacation with Flea, bringing 20-something models to fuck in their family home, seems to have completely given up on Maddox and Pax, and is more concerned with feeding the gossip mill with phony Jen reunion rumors than with actually acting like a 50-something father of six. I spent most of last awards season wondering what it would feel like to be one of his kids, watching him party with Leo, not mention them during his acceptance speeches, and be "clean and sober" throughout.

I don't think winning an Oscar makes one a bad parent, and I don't think it would be heartbreaking thing for kids to witness.

Brad can only legally be with the kids half the time, and he's still alive for the remaining 50% of the time. Dating and hanging out with friends (even if it's Flea) is normal behavior for a single person.

Maddox and Pax seem adamant that they want to have nothing to do with him. Latest news is that Pax testified against him and wants to remove "Pitt" from his name. That's a sad situation, but I don't think we have any way of knowing whether Brad has given up on them. He can't see them if they don't want him to, and we really have no way of knowing what efforts he makes.

Nicole Kidman's kids have been estranged from her for years and she's been accused of giving up too and I don't think it's true for her either, there's just nothing she can do about it.