Star Wars: Episode III--Revenge of the Sith

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For the most part I believe this movie is a bit overrated. I enjoyed it, but I don't think it's as awsome as some people seem to think.

I think someone in this thread said they would have liked to see some Jedi try to take power or something to that effect. I agree with them. The Jedi are VERY powerful. Is it so difficult to believe that some might think they are better than or know what's best for other people? It would have been far more interesting if we had seen the Jedi separate into two factions: the power hungry and everybody else. Throw in The Sith and you get a great story. The idea of a Jedi theocracy/police state sounds fun.



Also, I do believe the Sith have a point about understanding the Dark Side. Is it fair to say that darkness is synonomous with evil? Look at goths for instance; the serious ones. Many of them seek to be more in tune witht the darker aspect of their natures. Does that make them bad? Everything has a darker aspect. It's a very crucial part of ourselves. And anyway, if you want to devote yourself to the Light like the Jedi shouldn't you have a through understanding or even an acceptance of the Dark Side in order to master it?

You have to give The Sith credit. They are willing to go where others fear to tread. I would have liked to see a Sith Lord who wasn't evil. Like I said, evil might be a part of the Dark Side, but it's not the whole dark side. Imagine a Sith Lord who's in tune with the non-evil aspect. That could have been revolutionary.

Since Yoda was mentioning balance I kept thinking about Yin/Yang. Here we see that the dark doesn't mean evil, just as light doesn't mean good. I wonder how Star Wars would have turned out if Lucas had applied this understanding of the light and dark aspects instead of the usual light=good, dark=bad dynamic? I'm no expert on Taoism, but it seems like both aspects are morally neutral, therefore either could be used for good or evil.

Just a thought.

[Neurochick]

I agree about the chemistry. I just knew Anakin and Obi Wan were going to throw down their sabers and make out on the conference room table, there towards the end....I got a little distracted by the thought of it.

Hell, Obi Wan and Padme had more chemistry. Maybe Ewan McGregor is the factor in all of this...he can make me believe he really IS Obi Wan, trying to save his friend, especially in the edge of the lava river scene.

No shit, BTW, Obi Wan had more chemistry with Qui Gon but that's just me.

[jynni]

You have to give The Sith credit. They are willing to go where others fear to tread. I would have liked to see a Sith Lord who wasn't evil.

I'm kinda thinking that's where Yoda comes in.

I finally got to see it last night and I will also admit I choked up just a bit at the end. I loved loved loved the way that George brought many things full circle.

Some of the dialouge is just bad. I laughed out loud at some of it. I can sorta see how GL comes up with it though. Some of it is dialouge written to be read in a novel but just doesn't work to be said. It's like he's written descriptions of what the characters feel rather than what they should say. None of it flows in conversation - someone really should have gone over the script again.

That "Anakin your breaking my heart" line was awful. You could almost see Natalie cringe when she said it. The dialouge is what keeps this from getting a 10/10 in my book. Everything else was straight on great.

That said, GL gets credit for one of the best lines in any movie "So this is how liberty dies - with thunderous applause". Natalie totally nailed that one.

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Wait....Yoda's a Sith Lord? What are you saying exactly?

Everybody, I'm not a hardcore SW fan. Please forgive my ignorance. I've only seen Episodes I, II and III and I keep falling asleep during the others. It's just that the way some of the Jedi talk about the dark side as though evil and darkness are one and the same. It doesn't make me think they'd actually want anything to do with that aspect of The Force.

Padmé's line about liberty was the best piece of writing in that movie. I agree with you 100%.

I also don't understand why some folks in this thread were dumping on Portman. I thought she did a good job considering the material she was given. I thought Ewan McGregor stole the show though. I think he was the most believable in his role. Palpatine was pretty smooth, but when he became Sidious there were moments when I found him cartoonish. I thought Christienson was the weakest link.

God, Padmé has horrible taste in men. I was watching episode II and wondering how she could fall for Anakin. No she didn't know he was going to become Vader, but judging from his words and actions didn't she know he was going to be trouble? She's not a stupid woman.

I'm going to go to my special place where Obi Wan and Padmé are in love. I thought those two suited each other far more.

[Inkyblott]

Just saw it today and I'm still digesting it. The theater was packed. No one in costume though one kid brought her Darth Vader voice changer and put it on during the transformation scene but that was a minor annoyance.

I really liked this movie. I tried to go in with no expectations but it was impossible to avoid all of the spoilers and hype. I didn't hate the first two but I really loathed the lack of chemistry between Anakin and Padme. The chemistry wasn't much better this time around and, yeah, the dialog was sub-par in places but the rest of the movie more than made up for that.

I was a little taken aback at how quickly Anakin became Sith. But I'm chalking some of that up to mental influence from Palpataine.

This was the most intense Star Wars movie I've ever seen. Intense and disturbing when you see how the Jedi are betrayed and the final confrontation between Obi Wan and Anakin. I was really suprized that they showed so much of Anakin's almost death. Not for little kids. I also got the feeling that some bits were trimmed from the movie but I don't think it was necessarily R rated stuff, most likely longer action and dialog scenes.

I'll probably have to give it a day or so before I can really get in depth with analyzing the ins and outs. I think I can honestly say that I was completly blown away.

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NO! No Obidala! Wrong wrong wrong! Obi-Wan wouldn't give that mealy-mouthed airhead the time of day. C'mon, her future husband confesses that he just murdered an entire village and she embraces him! WTF?

No, Obi would probably be better off with a fellow Jedi. (Not Qui-Gon, if only because to me it's a little too incesty-they seemed more father and sonish.)

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Guinastasia said:

C'mon, her future husband confesses that he just murdered an entire village and she embraces him! WTF?

No, first she basically tells him that it's okay to be angry. Then Ani whines about not being all-powerful...and then I think there's an embrace somewhere in there.

That's the situation I was thinking about when I said that I couldn't understand how Padmé fell in love with Anakin. I know I'm supposed to believe that Padmé is a woman of intelligence and intregrity. Her reaction to the slaughter in Ep. II wasn't feasible. I don't think Lucas was being consistant with her character. Padmé convieniently forgot to tell Ani that while anger is a human reaction, it doesn't justify a massacre. She should have been freaked out by him since Ep. II. Had Lucas been more consistant, I could see her drifting from Ani and into the arms of Obi Wan.

Or maybe not since we would have never gotten Luke and Leia.

[indygirl]

After the opening fight, I was basically checking my watch until Anakin went all dark. The scenes between Anakin and Padme were weak. Anakin's scenes with Obi-Wan had far more intensity than any with the woman he loved.

I have come to the conclusion that any charisma and on-screen presence that Samuel L. Jackson may have is derived from his potty mouth. Because he was so blah in this movie. Maybe if George had allowed him to yell out a "Shut the fuck up, bitch!" to Anakin or Palpatine, he would have actually registered on the screen. As it is, both he and Natalie Portman should be embarassed to have been out-emoted by a puppet.

[hillbillylover]

Here's something I don't understand. If Jedi's aren't supposed to be married, why did Padme and Annie who were supposedly intelligent people, think that they could on a long term basis, conceal a marriage and children from her hubby's fellow Jedis? And seeing as how she was senator and all, did Padme think that nobody would notice that she was knocked up and living with a Jedi?

Would Anakin be kicked out the Jedis if his marriage was revealed?

Since he knew that he had to find a way for Anakin to father Luke and Leia, why would he put him in a spiritual order that forbade marriage? Why not make the Jedis more like European Knights from the middle ages? Not warrior monks like the Knights Templar, but those who were unattached to regligious orders and were as free as any other man to marry?

Wouldn't that have made more dramatic sense?

Or did George originally intend on having Luke and Leia be born to Padme and Anakin sans marriage, only to chicken out?

[jynni]

Wait....Yoda's a Sith Lord? What are you saying exactly?

No - but he knows the dark side of the force, knows what it is capable of, maybe has even tred the lines of gray between the light and dark side.

There's probably a reason he seems stronger than any of the other Jedi. He knows how to use the force in balance.

Since he knew that he had to find a way for Anakin to father Luke and Leia, why would he put him in a spiritual order that forbade marriage? Why not make the Jedis more like European Knights from the middle ages?

The Jedi were forbidden from any attachments - not just marriage. Anakin's downfall began as soon as he was unable to detach himself from his mother way back in ep I. He was considered to old to begin the training even then. Anakin, I can buy bucking the rules and doing whatever he pleased regarding Padme. Anakin's the impressionable, naieve one who usually reacts without thinking first. It's Padme's characterization for the most part that I have trouble accepting.

As been said here, she's written very unevenly. Even her death at the end didn't fit with anything else we'd seen of her. She's supposed to be intelligent and strong willed. She was elected queen at the age of fourteen. She's five-ten years Anakin's senior. I don't think GL had any idea what to do with her character. He needed a mother for the twins and just kinda wrote Padme to fit the plot points he needed.