Star Trek: The Franchise

[Atreides]

May 12, 2009 9:45:13 GMT -4 Witchie said:

As far as a sequel, I hope they go with the Klingons, but not Kahn. There's a wealth of stories for how they went from enemies to allies.

I don't know. The Klingons have been done to death in all of the TV series and most of the movies. Star Trek VI covered the early part of the Fed-Klingon peace process. I liked the use of the Romulans this time out. I guess I would be hoping too much to see the early days between the Feds and the Cardassians.

[Peggy Lane]

I agree, Atreides. One of the things I liked best about this film is that there was not a Klingon nor BORG in sight. I'm sick of both stories.

Now, since the explosion of Vulcan should have long reaching consequences, I'd maybe be interested in seeing the Klingon/Fed relationship taken in a whole new direction, but otherwise, I'm done. The Caradassians would be great.

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I'm pulling for a Ferengi story myself. I love those guys.

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May 12, 2009 12:47:42 GMT -4 @roisin54 said:

I'm pulling for a Ferengi story myself. I love those guys.

NO!



Ahem... I'm not really rooting for any race in particular. Won't see Vulcans much anymore, the Klingons and Borg have been done to death (unless they get totally rebooted as well. Ooo, newly scary Borg...). Dunno about Cardassians, but they have been way prominent in DS9, so maybe they're a little played out.

I'm trying to find an episode of TOS they could polish off and spin into a movie, but I'm drawing a blank. Let's face it, a lot of that stuff was a product of the Sixties: Kirk talking scary yet fragile computers to death. The arrogant American Federation of Planets muscling into the galaxy and reshaping it in its image. Meeting gods and angels and being humbled thereby. The Cold War with Klingons and Romulans. Hippies. Bi-coloured guys fighting a never-ending war.

And we shouldn't do Khan again, because there was only one Ricardo Montalban. But if we're going to mine the original series, let's pick a real stinker and see if we can make it good.

So hey, Abrams and crew: "Spock's Brain." Go on, I dare ya

[Peggy Lane]

I'll take "Spock's Brain" and raise you one "Plato's Stepchildren."

Seriously, they can reinterpret just about relationship because Abrams tossed the whole deck of cards into the air. Something totally new could also be great, and, with the lack of a strong Vulcan presence, make other members of the known Galaxy act in new ways that could be fun to watch.

No Borg, though. A fresh look at the Klingons...maybe. But no Borg. And no more time travel. And no humpback whales.

I had sort of been spoiled that Abrams was going to reset the universe, so I didn't think that we'd get a reset on George Kirk's death. But I could not BELIEVE they blew up Vulcan and killed Amanda. I did think they'd bring Amanda back, somehow. And I kept waiting for Spock to travel back to his own universe. No, not so much.

That's awesome, because I was so surprised. How many real surprises do movies offer up? I hope we get a little Spock Prime in the next movie.

[angelaudie]

Another option is they simply create a whole new species and new villains. I think Scott's alien assistant was a species they created. At least, I don't recall seeing it before. Or they can take a species that was friendly in TOS and make it an enemy here. It's alternate timeline so hey pretty much anything goes!

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I always enjoyed episodes where the crew of whatever series violated the Prime Directive and then had to finesse their way out of it. But I think there's already been a TNG movie along those lines?

My fave ep of all time is from TOS where they beamed down to a planet of apparent wussies and were about to turn it into a huge battleground between Feds & Romulans (or was it Klingons?), and the wuss inhabitants used the power of their minds to render all the weaponry useless. They didn't argue, didn't even raise their voices, they just didn't allow the barbarians to fight because violence was profoundly upsetting to them. That impressed the hell out of teenage Duke.

[LurkerNan]

Aiiiii ! The casting of this movie was jaw-droppingly hot. The list of male leads in this flick I wouldn't want to butter up and eat like popcorn is non-existent. Urban, Pine, Quinto, Bana, Greenwood, Cho, and even Pegg... damn!

The fangirl buried deep inside me is trying to figure out how the loss of the Vulcans as a political force changes the Federation in the future... weren't they the balancing counterpoint to the Human contingent?

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May 12, 2009 15:38:01 GMT -4 LurkerNan said:

Aiiiii ! The casting of this movie was jaw-droppingly hot. The list of male leads in this flick I wouldn't want to butter up and eat like popcorn is non-existent. Urban, Pine, Quinto, Bana, Greenwood, Cho, and even Pegg... damn!

Don't forget the adorkable Yelchin!

The fangirl buried deep inside me is trying to figure out how the loss of the Vulcans as a political force changes the Federation in the future... weren't they the balancing counterpoint to the Human contingent?

Hmm... it's not clear how much they contributed to Federation culture/politics. Vulcan is just one world among many, and it's always been portrayed as extremely insular, with rigid and secret traditions, never thinking much of the irrational barbarians that surrounded it.

Then again, without them, it might become a more Human-flavoured Federation, less cautious, more expansionist. Mind you, it already pretty much was. In Star Trek VI, Kang ranted about a "Homo Sapiens-only club", and by TNG the Federation had mapped or colonised a sizeable fraction of the galaxy.

[Atreides]

Yeah, from the TOS era onwards, humans had become the dominant member within the Federation. Although Vulcan was a key world, it didn't have a whole lot of influence in TOS and the later series.