veronicamars
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Post by veronicamars on Apr 1, 2005 13:04:23 GMT -4
Anyhoo, Joanna House, who was the 2nd winner of Top Model, is half Mexican, I believe.
Does anyone know if Eva Pigford is mixed?
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soul
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Post by soul on Apr 2, 2005 6:16:25 GMT -4
I don't think so, but homechick has a killer perm.
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hillbillylover
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Post by hillbillylover on Apr 2, 2005 23:09:50 GMT -4
Okay, I know it's stretching things to refer to this guy as a celebrity, and his racial heritage is hardly a secret. Still, I find the man to be so interesting that I have to mention him.
I'm referring to author Alexandre Dumas, the author of The Three Musketeers and The Count of Monte Cristo.
The grandson of a Hatian slave who married a French Nobleman and the son of one of Naoplean's Generals, he experienced relatively little overt racial prejudice from Parisians who saw him as exotic, yet nontheless, French.
I had no idea that he actually wrote a novella dealing with racial issues called Georges about a wronged Hatian mulatto who flees to France but returns to the colony to seek his revenge.
While Dumas championed the rights of mixed race people in the story - many of whom were slave owners - I was disappointed to see that he didn't feel the same about people who were "just" black. His feelings on slavery seemed to be ambiguous at best, but in all fairness, typical for the times.
And is it true that the character of Christophe in Anne Rice's The Feast of All Saints was based on Dumas?
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soul
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Post by soul on Apr 4, 2005 5:03:00 GMT -4
I read somewhere that Haitians hold their mulattos in great regard. In fact, part of their flag is devoted to the malottos, along with their black population, so it's not suprising to me that he "didn't feel the same about people who were just black."
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veronicamars
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Post by veronicamars on Apr 5, 2005 10:26:31 GMT -4
Is Ben Harper biracial?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2005 13:20:30 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2005 16:34:42 GMT -4
I'm going to ask what is probably a very silly question, but... (deep breath): Fergie. Black-Eyed Peas singer. I've seen early photos of her looking whiter than Nicole Kidman's nose. Now she looks like she's spent a good decade under a tanning lamp and just not...white. What is she?
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hillbillylover
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Post by hillbillylover on Apr 5, 2005 19:12:34 GMT -4
See, I was under the impression that it was the mulatto population that held themselves in exceedingly high regard and that this attitude could be traced back to colonial times.
Historian Bob Corbett wrote about the mixed-race people of pre-revolution Haiti: "Culturally the free people of color strove to be more white than the whites. They denied everything about their African and black roots. They dressed as French and European as the law would allow, they were well educated in the French manner, spoke French and denigrated the Creole language of the slaves. They were scrupulous Catholics and denounced the Voodoo religion of Africa. While the whites treated them badly and scorned their color, they nonetheless strove to imitate every thing white, seeing this a way of separating themselves from the status of the slaves whom they despised."
That seems to be an attitude that has survived for over two centuries.
I remember reading in Vibe magazine that journalists who covered the Fugees tour of Haiti, were shocked to hear the way the mostly privileged, light-skinned descendents of mulattos, freely and unabashedly spoke about their dark-skinned countrymen. They called them lazy, stupid, dirty, unattractive, uneducated heathens who were inclined towards criminality. They made sweeping generalizations about black Haitians that if they'd been spoken by whites, would have been seen as the most virulent racism.
Nonetheless, all the members of the privileged classes who were interviewed, were proud of the Fugees' success and were big fans. And they saw no irony in that fact. Anybody who doesn't think the effects of colonialism aren't still being felt today are sadly mistaken.
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Post by Coffeecakes on Apr 6, 2005 3:39:16 GMT -4
I think, don't hold me to this, that Fergie is half or 1/4 Mexican.
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soul
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Post by soul on Apr 6, 2005 4:45:06 GMT -4
What you said sounds right to me. I just know that I read that this part of the Haitian flag represented the blacks and this part the mullatos.
Today, that has changed. Those portions of the flag now represents the colors of the French flag.
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