Conspiracy Theorists Unite!!!

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I definitely believe that Building 7 was brought down by explosives. There's just no reason for a building that size to collapse because of fire. Never happened before or since.

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[Sukie]

eataknobatnight said:

I definitely believe that Building 7 was brought down by explosives. There's just no reason for a building that size to collapse because of fire. Never happened before or since.

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Yep, this is another one I tend to believe as well. I think it was Loose Change ( but could be some other online movie about alternative 9-11 theories) which showed numerous videos of other buildings that burned longer, but never collapsed.

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I've read way too many excellent debunkings of Loose Change to believe a word of it, frankly.

The only 9/11 conspiracy I think has much merit is the theory that one of the reasons the towers suffered so much damage from the fires was that when they were built, there were a lot of mob connections involved, and the required fireproofing may have been paid for but not actually installed, and the inspectors bribed to sign off on the work.

the other 9/11 theories (and I went through about a 6 month phase of intense interest) don't seem to have any real evidence in their favour, and plenty of evidence against.

[Matilda]

muffinette said:

My father in law, an incredibly smart and educated person, thinks the moon landing was staged.

He has explained it to me in historical context: at the time, the US was under incredible pressure to put a man on the moon as fast as possible so they could beat the Soviet Union, and they had the means and opportunity to fake it. Put that way, I have to concede that it is not completely outside the scope of possibility. I would be surprised if it hadn't occurred to them at the time to try and fake it actually, and it was probably one of the backup plans in case everything went wrong. But the biggest proof that it was real is in the fact that so many years later, no one has confessed on their deathbed yet.

But didn't a lot of the people involved in it die in weird circumstances? They've shown a documentary here in the UK quite a few times in the past few years which claims the landing was staged, I can't remember the name of it but I'll try and find out. Some of it made me very suspicious.

[Sukie]

The only 9/11 conspiracy I think has much merit is the theory that one of the reasons the towers suffered so much damage from the fires was that when they were built, there were a lot of mob connections involved, and the required fireproofing may have been paid for but not actually installed, and the inspectors bribed to sign off on the work.

This one is very interesting and very plausible. I have not heard this one before, do you have any links or more info?

ETA: Forgot to mention this before, but the other strange thing about 9-11 that just disappeared from the news were the reports of possible insider trading on the stock options for the airlines. As I recall, during the couple of weeks before the attacks, put options were placed on the stock of American and United ( as well as I believe some insurance companies, other airlines, and related companies). These options were specualting that the stocks would go down. This was widely reported in the first couple of days after 9-11 and then nothing. I never heard of any real follow up, except that the money was never claimed.

[celerydunk]

Why bring building 7 down by explosives? Im not getting why that would be done. You think they were hiding something in that building?

[Sunbaby]

Oh dear. I guess I'm going to have to brand myself as a total tinfoil hat-wearing nutcase because I kinda agree with the "Loose Change" guys. I don't think a plane hit the Pentagon nor did a plane crash in Pennsylvania. (runs to concrete bunker in the backyard to hide)

Yup. Pretty much agree with you blackship. I also think there were explosives planted at the WTC towers too.

[spider]

I'm fascinated by conspiracy theories and the that way people are often attracted to really complicated explanations of simple stuff. I think we can't accept that a simple action has a huge consequence and so we make it out to be part of a conspiracy.

Personally, I have no problem believing in random acts of senseless violence and a hard time believing in cover ups. Maybe I've worked for the govt for too long to think they are capable of anything that complicated

I don't think a plane hit the Pentagon

Go to Snopes, there are multiple pictures of bits of plane embedded in the building.

About 6 of my friends saw it hit and they get pretty irate when they hear that particular theory!

[domo-kun]

I have watched a number of PBS programs about 9/11 and even some conference footage of that group of academics who are deep into the conspiracy theory (is that Loose Change?). One show that's not exactly a conspiracy theory, but is a very well-done and interesting, though disheartening documentary related to 9/11 is this one: The Man Who Knew. It does make you wonder about the motivations behind the people who chose to ignore his warnings.

There's also a great NOVA on why the towers fell. No need for mobsters neglecting the insulation although I suppose that's possible. What little there was got blown off upon impact. Why The Towers Fell. I don't think it's available online, but you can read the transcript. It's a fascinating program for anyone who's interested in architecture/engineering, too. Well, I find it fascinating; maybe I'm just morbid.

Edited to fix link and to add that I also buy the idea that flight 93 was shot down. Even though the military is loathe to shoot down a domestic passenger flight and apparently, at the time, only the president could really order something like that, after three planes flying into buildings, I don't think they could take the chance with a fourth. Also, I'm curious about the disbelief that the Pentagon was hit by a plane. Do people think the video footage was faked and plane debris was planted? How would that work? Or do I just not understand?

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spider said:

Personally, I have no problem believing in random acts of senseless violence and a hard time believing in cover ups. Maybe I've worked for the govt for too long to think they are capable of anything that complicated

Same for me.

I wouldn't be surprised if flight 93 was shot down, though. There was a lot of fear and confusion that morning.