Conspiracy Theorists Unite!!!

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Personally, I have no problem believing in random acts of senseless violence and a hard time believing in cover ups. Maybe I've worked for the govt for too long to think they are capable of anything that complicated

The 9/11 conspiracy as a whole is very hard for me to believe, but my mini conspiracy theory is that certain members of the government were somewhat aware of when and how this would happen and decided to do nothing about it. There's no doubt there were a lot of neocon agendas that were going nowhere before 9/11 and something of that magnitude was what it took to get things going. There's also no doubt that certain people (not naming names) took advantage of a nation's fear and blind patriotism to push their own brand of extremism into the mainstream. Maybe not as horrible as planting bombs in a civilian building and such, but still disgusting no matter how you look at it.

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Spider wrote:

Maybe I've worked for the govt for too long to think they are capable of anything that complicated

So maybe Spider is really a Spyder! Dunh dunh DUNH!!!!!

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celerydunk said:

Why bring building 7 down by explosives? Im not getting why that would be done. You think they were hiding something in that building?

At the risk of going kookoo for crispy poofs with this stuff, as I tend to do, here is some info on Building 7 and its owner, Larry Silverstein.

Building 7 housed "offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions."

Also, Larry had taken out an enormous insurance policy on WTC 7, which he'd bought only six months prior. It's shady, at the very least. He fought the insurance companies to get his full payout, saying that each building was a separate attack.

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I definitely believe that the administration at the very least had an inkling that something like 9/11 was going to happen and did nothing about it so Bush would have a reason for starting his war. I've believed that from the very beginning. It just doesn't seem plausible to me that with something like that, which obviously took a massive amount of planning, and considering how widespread our intelligence network is that NO ONE knew it was coming. Hell, the writers for that crappy X-Files spin-off predicted something like that the year before.

It also seems plausible to me that 93 was shot down although I'm not entirely convinced. All the other theories just have too much evidence against them for me to find them plausible.

I also believe that Oswald did not act alone and probably didn't even fire the actual kill shot. There's just way too many holes in the official story, I don't think it's as complicated as Oliver Stone would have us believe but still. Kennedy had way too many well-organized enemies and the mafia I think is the one group that could keep the whole thing quiet for so long.

The funny thing is I pretty much grew up with my father telling me there was no way Oswald acted alone, so I've been believing in certain conspiracy theories my whole life. Yay dad!

[celerydunk]

the mafia I think is the one group that could keep the whole thing quiet for so long.

Thats why I have an easier time believe conspiracy theories from the past then I do now. People knew how to keep their mouths shut then.

[spider]

I wouldn't be surprised if flight 93 was shot down, though.

Yeah, that's feasible. And not so awful.

ennui, I don't think 911 took shit for planning. Buy knives, buy tickets, get on planes...... it wasn't a complicated plan. I think it probably succeeded beyond their wildest expectations to be honest.

Even having people attend flight school thing wasn't a big deal, there are tons of those private schools all over the world.

[Sukie]

I definitely believe that the administration at the very least had an inkling that something like 9/11 was going to happen and did nothing about it so Bush would have a reason for starting his war. I've believed that from the very beginning. It just doesn't seem plausible to me that with something like that, which obviously took a massive amount of planning, and considering how widespread our intelligence network is that NO ONE knew it was coming. Hell, the writers for that crappy X-Files spin-off predicted something like that the year before.

Yep, this is exactly how I feel about it. Hell, I remember hearing about the Bojinka Plot well before 9-11 and to have pretty much the whole administration come out and say that there was no way anyone could have anticipated this just smacks as either willful disregard or complete incompetence to me.

Even though I was on the West Coast, I happened to be awake that early ( ~5:45 thanks to my newborn daughter who was not quite 2 weeks old) and watched it all unfold. I can still remember MrSukie and I watching with astonishment upon the Pentagon getting hit, because here we had 2 planes already fly into buildings ( almost 45 minutes prior) and no one thought to get the jets in the air and start protecting the capital, just as a general precaution? Especially with Langley right there?

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Belief in conspiracy theories has in recent years become a function of intense political involvement.

Those of us on the right had the wildest assortments of conspiracy theories during the Clinton administration because we wanted to believe that Bill Clinton really was that evil and Machiavellian. And it was all nonsense. The more you hate Bill Clinton, the easier it is to believe in the Clinton Death List, and the more you hate George Bush, the easier it is to believe in LiHOP or MiHOP. Nonsense, all of it.

The bottom line on conspiracies is that someone always talks. Always.

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mrpancake said:

What do LIHOPer and MIHOPer mean?

Sorry, I'm not so smart.

Since I looked it up:

LiHOP - Let it happen on purpose

MiHOP - Made it happen on purpose (some form of collusion with al-Qaida)

(I got the definitions from Wikipedia, so feel free to correct me if I've got it wrong.)

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spider said:

Personally, I have no problem believing in random acts of senseless violence and a hard time believing in cover ups. Maybe I've worked for the govt for too long to think they are capable of anything that complicated

Thank you, Spider - you stated my feelings more beautifully than I ever could!

This is obviously not the thread for me.