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Post by scarlet on Jan 20, 2022 22:47:43 GMT -4
This week's episode is infuriating. I still think we're supposed to be rooting for Miranda and her "rom-com" life/fantasy, but she's acting like such an asshole. I hope when she goes to live out this rom-com scene in Cleveland that she walks in on Che with someone else. Would serve her right. And now that she told Steve that he doesn't fulfill her--and supposedly (since they didn't show it) he said he just wants her happy, she's burned that bridge. Ugh, she's really awful.
I really don't know what I was supposed to get out of Carrie's storyline this week. Her neighbor was an asshole, but saying Carrie was 'cool' at the end made it all better. Sure. Also, let's show male full frontal to show how hip we are. OK, show.
I guess Charlotte's plot was the best of the episode, but again, very, very low bar.
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Post by Mlle on Jan 21, 2022 9:44:09 GMT -4
Steve with the hearing aid was absolutely ridiculous. They are 55, who at 55 needs a hearing aid (unless there is some backstory of hearing loss related to his bar (!?!) that I am unaware of.) They made him into such a doddering old fool it is ridiculous! He comes across like a slightly senile 80 year old man.
The entire show seems to be so obsessed with aging and no longer being in their prime (or cool). It's so very very shallow.
I too am now essentially hate-watching this thing
ETA: I also hope for a Miranda comeuppance, which might have been foreshadowed in the "I don't do traditional" from Che.... Here's hoping!
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Post by Neurochick on Jan 21, 2022 12:38:25 GMT -4
This week's episode is infuriating. I still think we're supposed to be rooting for Miranda and her "rom-com" life/fantasy, but she's acting like such an asshole. I hope when she goes to live out this rom-com scene in Cleveland that she walks in on Che with someone else. Would serve her right. And now that she told Steve that he doesn't fulfill her--and supposedly (since they didn't show it) he said he just wants her happy, she's burned that bridge. Ugh, she's really awful. I'm reading a lot of Miranda hate from women and it confuses me. Are we saying that a woman should "just stay" with a man, just because he's a "good man?" In the late 90's, I knew a woman who was married to a man; she went to a fanfic convention in Canada, met another woman and that was it. She divorced her husband and as far as I know, is still with the woman she fell in love with, some 20+ years later. Life is life-y at times. Life is messy at times. It's never tied up with a pretty pink bow. Just my two cents. |
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Post by eveschmeve on Jan 21, 2022 13:04:52 GMT -4
I think there’s a lot going on with Miranda’s character that is awful and it’s not just that Steve is a nice guy so she should stay with him. I don’t think anyone is really saying that. It’s more that she crapped all over their life together and then gave herself a pat on the back for how nicely she asked him for a divorce. Also remember that she’s throwing out her life with Steve for someone she started seeing 3 weeks ago…doesn’t seem like a recipe for success.
Honestly the thing I love the most about these episodes is Carrie is consistently the world’s worst friend. Miranda mentions she’s going to ask Steve for a divorce and Carrie says, “well I guess I can’t talk about my neighbor issues” as if it’s at all close to the same importance. She’s so awful, at least that’s entertaining to watch.
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Post by magazinewhore on Jan 21, 2022 13:04:53 GMT -4
I think the criticism is more about how Miranda has turned into a cartoon character who should have hearts for eyes around Che. She has barely tried to revive their sex life (which, okay, once it's dead is dead) and is dumping Steve for someone she barely knows. She should leave that marriage, but making it about Che instead of herself is what makes her an a-hole (to me). Her common sense (and she was the character who had that) seems to have gone out the window. But maybe that's the point of her journey. I think I'd appreciate it more if she separated from Steve and just started dating women happily and without the rom-com fanfare. And also it's because Che is the worst. Mostly that.
So apparently the actor who plays Steve does now use hearing aids, which is where that plot point has come from. But that's exactly they way we talk to my 80 year old Dad ("Are your hearing aids in? Both of them?"), so it does seem weird.
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Post by scarlet on Jan 21, 2022 13:12:06 GMT -4
I think there’s a lot going on with Miranda’s character that is awful and it’s not just that Steve is a nice guy so she should stay with him. I don’t think anyone is really saying that. It’s more that she crapped all over their life together and then gave herself a pat on the back for how nicely she asked him for a divorce. Also remember that she’s throwing out her life with Steve for someone she started seeing 3 weeks ago…doesn’t seem like a recipe for success. Exactly. No one seems to be telling Miranda to just suck it up and stay in a dead marriage--not at all--but the way it's being written is so bad and I'll be surprised if everything going forward goes according to this rom-com fairy tale (Miranda's words, not mine)she's imagining. Che should've/could've been her realizing how much her life with Steve was a fraud, not the be all, end all. |
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Post by Neurochick on Jan 21, 2022 14:05:00 GMT -4
I think the criticism is more about how Miranda has turned into a cartoon character who should have hearts for eyes around Che. She has barely tried to revive their sex life (which, okay, once it's dead is dead) and is dumping Steve for someone she barely knows. She should leave that marriage, but making it about Che instead of herself is what makes her an a-hole (to me). Her common sense (and she was the character who had that) seems to have gone out the window. But maybe that's the point of her journey. I think I'd appreciate it more if she separated from Steve and just started dating women happily and without the rom-com fanfare. And also it's because Che is the worst. Mostly that. Here's what I think is happening, she's in lust with Che, she's on a high. It might be that she's never felt that type of high before and I think that's the problem; no one has ever made Miranda feel that giddy, manic type of high. Steve never, ever made her feel like that, now that Miranda feels that way, she realizes that she's been missing something from life. In the show, Miranda was always the sensible one now she probably wonders if the choices she made were the right ones. I always felt that Miranda kind of settled for Steve, that the sensible part of her brain said, "okay, he's stable, he loves me, I guess that's all I need." I think what makes people SO upset over this is that many folks, me included have felt that giddy, manic high of sexual attraction and know that it doesn't last, you can't stay on a manic high forever. It's kind of like an EKG machine if it's bouncing up and down constantly, that's usually a sign of cardiac arrest. However if it's flatline, that's a sign of death. But an EKG going steadily up and down is what is considered healthy. |
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Post by dragonflie on Jan 21, 2022 14:56:45 GMT -4
For me it is almost nothing to do with "Miranda". She's not real, she's a character on a show. The problem is the WRITING of her character. It's not showing a change that makes sense. It's not showing any nuance or depth. It feels like her "change" has occurred to tick a box, or several boxes, as the whole show has felt for me. We NEED a: non-binary relationship, a Black character, an Asian character, an exploration of transitioning, an exploration of ALL the things the original was criticized for lacking- all crammed into the 1st 3-4 shows. It's like- that is just as offensive- IMHO- treating all of these issues as tropes and caricatures that are thrown at us all at once without any real nuance. Because they're not actually interested in any real exploration- it's to tick off a progressive box. And it's exhausting, and not fun to watch. It also feels like this is Cynthia Nixon saying she wants a character she plays to reflect the life she- as an actual person- has lived. That's fine, I guess, but it's not good writing, it doesn't fit the character, and it all feels like pandering and lazy writing. Oh- and it's made Miranda into an idiot and an a$$hole. I don't think any woman- or man- should feel they "have to" stay in a marriage they feel unhappy in. I do think ANY woman or man who treated their marriage this cavalierly would be an a$$hole. Oh- and why it makes me angry (annoyed more so) is it treats us- the viewers, as idiots. eta: I always felt that Miranda kind of settled for Steve, that the sensible part of her brain said, "okay, he's stable, he loves me, I guess that's all I need." I've seen this a few times and I don't get it. Miranda was with Steve on and off through the whole series- but then she dumps him and is with Blair Underwood: "hot black doctor". Underwood loves her- and she realizes she loves Steve. It's a pivotal episode. And she goes back and forth on it for a few episodes- but finally declares it to Steve. I never got the sense that was settling. She gave up a much more stable relationship- doctor who loves her- to be with the man she really really loved. I know that in real life people grow and change. I also can accept this happening with this character. But it feels much more like re-writing/forgetting key elements of the character in order to fit with a more progressive theme- that they took no real time developing. They took years and years to develop the relationship of Miranda and Steve- and their new iteration just makes no sense to me. |
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Post by Ginger on Jan 21, 2022 15:03:27 GMT -4
Honestly the thing I love the most about these episodes is Carrie is consistently the world’s worst friend. Miranda mentions she’s going to ask Steve for a divorce and Carrie says, “well I guess I can’t talk about my neighbor issues” as if it’s at all close to the same importance. She’s so awful, at least that’s entertaining to watch. Yeah, I was struck after this episode by the lack of shits Carrie has to give about anything going on in her best friends' lives. The character was always incredibly self-centered, but in the old series, the women would have been discussing this over breakfast at the diner, and Carrie would have at least expressed some concern before changing the subject back to herself. No more getting together at the diner like they did constantly during the series. The three remaining friends seem to rarely get together as a group at all anymore. I'm reading a lot of Miranda hate from women and it confuses me. Are we saying that a woman should "just stay" with a man, just because he's a "good man?" I ain't married, but I think it's stupid, disrespectful and hurtful to abruptly axe your marriage primarily because you are having an affair and are in lust with your affair partner and need to make the marriage go away ("fix the situation" as Miranda put it). Maybe the marriage wasn't fixable, but Miranda never, ever even talked to Steve about it. If you want to fix problems in any relationship, you have to start by talking about it. She just came up to him in the kitchen one time, requested on-the-spot sex when he had no idea what was going on, and then told him to stop when it wasn't as good as the sex she was already having with someone else. They were together for about twenty years, and I think the way she's ending it is shitty. |
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Post by Binky on Jan 21, 2022 16:11:14 GMT -4
The new character additions are so numerous (and not well-integrated into the main characters' lives) that there are multiple b-storylines running around. I do think the show is getting better compared to the first few episodes.
Miranda yelling "I'm in a rom-com" is such a betrayal of the character. She had many, blunt conversations with Steve in the original series. She was never a woman to be so...recklessly and brutally selfish. Blunt and assertive, yes. The writing contortions to make her have a queer affair has made her so dumb and cowardly compared to who this character was originally.
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