Madonna

[Spinderella]

Mar 7, 2005 12:20:56 GMT -4 carrier76 said:

hanging out with Paul Ryan

WHAT?! She just lost major points with me.

[carrier76]

Oct 11, 2022 12:44:23 GMT -4 Spinderella said:

Mar 7, 2005 12:20:56 GMT -4 carrier76 said:

hanging out with Paul Ryan

WHAT?! She just lost major points with me.

I may have (?) spoken out of turn. They were somewhere and Paul Ryan “unexpectedly” showed up and Blake got his picture taken with him. She apparently raised money for Obama, which was pre-Shelton. I listened to her on the Fat Mascara podcast last year, where she was talking about her new makeup line. She made many many references to church and liking music “by her church guys” and that’s what she works out to. So I could be drawing a lot of conclusions. And if I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

(The Paul Ryan correction-esque comment above can be cited by a W magazine article, which I do not know how to link to.)

[laurenj]

Oct 11, 2022 12:44:23 GMT -4 Spinderella said:

Mar 7, 2005 12:20:56 GMT -4 carrier76 said:

hanging out with Paul Ryan

WHAT?! She just lost major points with me.

Slightly off topic, but I'm amazed to realize that I had completely erased Paul Ryan's existence from my mind. I drifted past that part of the post without blinking, vaguely thinking it was some musician I wasn't familiar with, and it wasn't until someone brought up politics that I remembered who Paul Ryan is.

[Auroranorth]

Stevie Nicks is older than Madonna, but she still packs a house when she performs. She would have been a better role model for Madonna than whoever she's got.

[ahah]

Oct 11, 2022 22:40:15 GMT -4 Auroranorth said:

Stevie Nicks is older than Madonna, but she still packs a house when she performs. She would have been a better role model for Madonna than whoever she's got.

Stevie was smart enough to build a career on writing great music and being a great performer. Madonna can certainly be a great performer, but she built her career on doing stunts as a major party of her work, so she doesn't know how to be relevant without them.

[prisma]

I think I posted this upthread somewhere, but Jamie Lee Curtis is exactly the same age as Madonna, within a few months. For me, Jamie Lee is a role model. She's embraced her age but she looks great, is confident, and is doing everything on her terms.

Madonna, by contrast, is begging for relevancy rather than sitting back and enjoying a well-earned icon status. It's sad because for all of her swagger and bravado, it's pretty clear that she's a deeply insecure person who relies on the praise of others for her sense of worth.

When I googled Madonna yesterday to see what the fuss was about, the article mentioned she'd been seen canoodling or whatever with a young female rapper who was something like 26. It seems like Madonna's preference is less on gender maybe and more on youth? But that roughly 35-year age gap between herself and her partner is gross and predatory.

[Ginger]

Oct 12, 2022 8:23:46 GMT -4 ahah said:

Oct 11, 2022 22:40:15 GMT -4 Auroranorth said:

Stevie Nicks is older than Madonna, but she still packs a house when she performs. She would have been a better role model for Madonna than whoever she's got.

Stevie was smart enough to build a career on writing great music and being a great performer. Madonna can certainly be a great performer, but she built her career on doing stunts as a major party of her work, so she doesn't know how to be relevant without them.

I was never the biggest Madonna fan (except Material Girl when I was 9), but she's got SO MANY hit songs. She wouldn't need to do any stunts, just bring out a selection of hits and let people dance and have fun for 2-1/2 hours.

IIRC from her last tour (2019), people were really excited to come to her shows, but she soured the experience by showing up 2+ hours late all the time and getting shut down by curfews. Then she injured herself doing physical gymnastics a 61-year-old probably shouldn't have been doing every night and had to cancel.

Some aging performers have a reputation for giving the audience their money's worth no matter what. Madonna has the opposite reputation - extremely high ticket prices for a show that's going to start late, won't include many hit songs, but will include a lot of extended political monologues, flashing of body parts, and unpleasant imagery like swastikas. It doesn't sound fun to me at all.

[carrier76]

Oct 12, 2022 10:15:13 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Oct 12, 2022 8:23:46 GMT -4 ahah said:

Stevie was smart enough to build a career on writing great music and being a great performer. Madonna can certainly be a great performer, but she built her career on doing stunts as a major party of her work, so she doesn't know how to be relevant without them.

I was never the biggest Madonna fan (except Material Girl when I was 9), but she's got SO MANY hit songs. She wouldn't need to do any stunts, just bring out a selection of hits and let people dance and have fun for 2-1/2 hours.

IIRC from her last tour (2019), people were really excited to come to her shows, but she soured the experience by showing up 2+ hours late all the time and getting shut down by curfews. Then she injured herself doing physical gymnastics a 61-year-old probably shouldn't have been doing every night and had to cancel.

Some aging performers have a reputation for giving the audience their money's worth no matter what. Madonna has the opposite reputation - extremely high ticket prices for a show that's going to start late, won't include many hit songs, but will include a lot of extended political monologues, flashing of body parts, and unpleasant imagery like swastikas. It doesn't sound fun to me at all.

I have a friend who went to a Madonna show in NYC probably 10 years ago, and I think she was 2 hours late for that. I told him I would have been livid about it, and he acted like I was out of touch and her being late was part of the experience and anticipation. No. 20 minutes, maybe. But my time is too valuable for that kind of nonsense. I love(d) Madonna for most of my life but would never aspire to go to her show. You know who gives good concert? McCartney. He plays for hours and gives the fans what they want. I’ve seen him three times and will go again if ever given the opportunity.

[ahah]

Oct 12, 2022 10:15:13 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Oct 12, 2022 8:23:46 GMT -4 ahah said:

Stevie was smart enough to build a career on writing great music and being a great performer. Madonna can certainly be a great performer, but she built her career on doing stunts as a major party of her work, so she doesn't know how to be relevant without them.

I was never the biggest Madonna fan (except Material Girl when I was 9), but she's got SO MANY hit songs. She wouldn't need to do any stunts, just bring out a selection of hits and let people dance and have fun for 2-1/2 hours.

IIRC from her last tour (2019), people were really excited to come to her shows, but she soured the experience by showing up 2+ hours late all the time and getting shut down by curfews. Then she injured herself doing physical gymnastics a 61-year-old probably shouldn't have been doing every night and had to cancel.

Some aging performers have a reputation for giving the audience their money's worth no matter what. Madonna has the opposite reputation - extremely high ticket prices for a show that's going to start late, won't include many hit songs, but will include a lot of extended political monologues, flashing of body parts, and unpleasant imagery like swastikas. It doesn't sound fun to me at all.

I have a friend who is a HUGE Madonna fan who told me one time that Madonna needed to be viewed more as a performance artist than a musician. Each time she released a new album she adopted the theme of that album into her life - the way she dressed, the way she acted in public, what she talked about in her life, etc. From that came the hit songs, but I think that was never enough for Madonna.
IMO, that goes a long way in explaining why she COULD put on a great concert at this point, but doesn't.

[Karrit]

Madonna should go down the ABBA route. She has a great catalog of music, so do a Broadway/West End musical like Mama Mia.

She could follow it up with an CGI/avatar concert in Vegas. She could be young and beautiful forever with that. I went to the ABBA avatar show here in London and it was really cool. I think the concept would work really well for Madonna.