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Post by chiqui on Jun 9, 2009 15:42:21 GMT -4
I luuurrved Jackie Collins' Rock Star. Its so tacky, cliche-ridden, overmelodramatic, and totally readable. It was so much fun trying to guess who all the characters were based on. There's Kris Phoenix, lead singer of a rock band that's a mashup of the Beatles and the Stones; another singer is meant to be Mariah Carey with an Ethiopean opera singer father, and there's a villanous Ahmet Ertegun character with a secretly black (she bleaches her skin) wife. There's suicides, intrigue, wife beating, appearances by royalty, miraculously cured blindness, and terrorists at the big concert at the end! Totally cheesy fun.
In a similar vein music author Lisa Robinson wrote Walk on Glass that tried to be a trashy novel about a female singer/songwriter's rise to fame, but took it too seriously so it wasn't as much fun.
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Post by Daisy Pusher on Jun 9, 2009 16:08:48 GMT -4
We haven't even mentioned the book some call the first chick lit novel..."The Best of Everything." Rona Jaffe. Women in gloves. Men in Brooks Brothers. Abortions. Divorces. It's all there, and it's all so good. It makes you want to go live in Manhattan in 1957. I have never read this book, but I love the movie version. It's so awesomely overblown! And Suzy Parker was beautiful, but acting was not her strong point. Everytime she whines "David" at Louis Jourdan I want to bop her upside her lovely red head, but maybe that's the point.
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Post by dwanollah on Jun 9, 2009 16:31:53 GMT -4
Rock Star may be my favorite JC novel. Or...hm... maybe Lovers & Gamblers. Or Hollywood Wives. Or-
It's like choosing which of your four cats you love best, isn't it?
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Post by huntergrayson on Jun 9, 2009 17:21:49 GMT -4
They stink up your bookshelves like your cats stink up your house! . The reason I wanted this to be just Susann is I'm unsure of how much the "shopping & fucking" genre would overlap with the "Chick-Lit Thread" - should we say nothing after 1990? Only the fine works of high trash? Could someone please post that Salon article with the "rules" of the shopping & fucking novel? Then we'll have guidelines.
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dwanollah
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Post by dwanollah on Jun 9, 2009 17:54:55 GMT -4
Contemporary chick lit is all shopping and no fucking. Where did our society go so terribly wrong in the last ten or fifteen years...?
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Post by Daisy Pusher on Jun 9, 2009 17:59:46 GMT -4
The original article is too long for me to post without facing the Wrath of Dwan, so here are some highlights and the rules...
Sorry for the length!
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Post by notmquinn on Jun 9, 2009 19:00:08 GMT -4
I'm surprised that Danielle Steel is listed. There's implied fucking. The dirtiest she would get is mentioning legs spreading or being entered.
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Post by Peggy Lane on Jun 9, 2009 19:13:00 GMT -4
I think that the Sex and Shopping novels tend to be larger in scope, aren't written in the first person, and the main female character is a grown up. Oh, she might be young, but she's either not childish or she grows up quickly. Also, the main love interest is a grown man.
Chick lit tends to be narrowly focused, is often written in the first person, the main character tends to be young, and often the main love interest is also young seeming.
Example: Anne Welles and Lyon Burke were young, but they weren't children with apartments.
Oh, and not only is the sex better, but usually the shopping is as well. And Danielle Steel is pretty guarded with her sex scenes, but makes up for it in her descriptions of clothes in settings. Or at least she did in her novels set in earlier time periods (Wanderlust, which made me want to take a cross country train trip topped off with dinner at 21).
ETA- Weirdly enough, I think the Gossip Girl series comes the closest to the old sex and shopping genre. Its a far closer match than any of the grown up chick lit books. I can see Blair and Serena as the literary granddaughters of Anne Welles and January Wayne.
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Post by huntergrayson on Jun 9, 2009 19:37:14 GMT -4
I've only read one GG book but bless you for making the GG connection.
On the feminist note, it's interesting that all of Susann's protagonists work. Or, more importantly, want to work. Both in OINE & VOTD, you have characters telling January & Anne that they're so beautiful that they can just instantly land a husband and then not do anything, but they want to attempt to have jobs and be independent.
On another note, Oh my god, I want to go to 21 so bad. I'm having major NYC envy since my friend is visiting and I'm reading OINE. And 21 is always, always mentioned in any NYC set S&F novel. It still exists, doesn't it? It just isn't the playground for the powerful & privileged as it used to be?
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Post by HotLips on Jun 9, 2009 20:06:36 GMT -4
I am totally blaming you guys for the backache I'm going to get tonight hauling all this crap home from the library. Seriously. I've got my library's online catalog open in another window so I'll know what to look for the next time I'm there. I live in a conservative town, so I wasn't expecting to find anything, but it looks like they've got a ton of Jackie Collins. Contemporary chick lit is all shopping and no fucking. Where did our society go so terribly wrong in the last ten or fifteen years...? Everyone started buying vibrators? It's Papa Joe and J Simp!
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