Lost

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There was definitely a Christian vibe to that scene with the wine and the cup. And interesting how she told Jacob that he really didn't have a choice, while Jacob himself keeps telling people they DO have a choice. I think over time he must have come to realize that there were lots of things Mother didn't know or he suspected she was wrong about, which gave rise to his new "rules"... It's like we're missing a huge chunk here from the time Jacob sends his brother into the light, and until he is the Jacob we see greet Alpert and interact with the Losties on and off island. I guess he had lots of time to think through what he'd learned about the island?

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I hope they put out a boxed series DVD with all of the pop-ups to help me figure out all of this crap when I rewatch it all one day. Or better yet- a 5 hr mini-series type Cliff Note recap.

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I'm watching the enhanced version of this episode asap. Because I need to. LOL!

[Ripley]

I was wondering what it meant that Mother was weaving that piece of fabric. I thought of the Moirae or The Fates, and how they spin and weave somebody's life story.

Thank you to the people who identified Allison Janney. It was driving me crazy that I recognized the actress's voice, but couldn't place her face or name.

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I really like Vozzek69's take on the episode. I share his suspicion that Mother actually might have planned to spare Jacob from becoming the monster, and that she basically let the boys share the guardian duties. She herself, I think, was both Guardian and Monster.

Life, death, rebirth... all of these themes have been strong throughout LOST. Therefore it stands to perfect reason that they'd all flow right beneath the very feet of our main characters, healing them when they were sick, killing them off when they weren't needed. Mother makes Jacob solemnly promise to never go down into the light, telling him it would be "much worse" than dying. And she's speaking from experience here, because in my opinion this is exactly what she did at one point.

The ceremonial chanting and sharing of wine seemed largely symbolic to me. It was as if mother needed to convince Jacob that once he did this, his path was forever bound to the island. Jacob's still gullible at this point. He drinks up, and he believes her. Whether or not this truly does etch his destiny in stone remains to be seen, but this is where mother does something really, really slick: she recruits both Jacob and his brother to guard the island.

Jacob is 100% right. His brother was always first choice. But what he doesn't know: mother is shrewd enough to recognize that as 'good' as he is, Jacob can't guard the island alone. Jacob's honesty and commitment needs to be tempered by his brother's willingness to lie, be deceitful, and do anything needed to get the job done. Alone, each of them is only half a candidate. But together, they make an ideal guardian for the island's shores.

Like Vozzek, I've also wondered repeatedly during the show if it's a place where wishes can come true. Maybe this is how Jacob and Mother set the rules and give eternal life? By willing it. And maybe this is why some people are healed and some people die...

On the island, the likelihood of something happening has always seemed directly related to faith. Rose believed Bernard was alive. Eko believed he'd find his brother's plane. Hurley believed that 20+ year old Dharma van would start... and so it did, as ridiculously impossible as that scenario should've been. Even Locke's suicide note contained a very important phrase "I wish you had believed me."

So could the very act of believing in something make it true? And more specifically, could the firm belief in a set of rules actually bring those rules into existence? Jacob's brother even alludes to this, over a game of senet: "One day you can make up your own game, and then everyone will have to follow your rules." Is this what we've been seeing all these years? A game being played that's nothing more than a byproduct of Jacob's own design, with the MIB fighting for two thousand years to find a loophole in his rulebook? No wonder he's so pissed.

[Strawberry]

Jacob is 100% right. His brother was always first choice. But what he doesn't know: mother is shrewd enough to recognize that as 'good' as he is, Jacob can't guard the island alone. Jacob's honesty and commitment needs to be tempered by his brother's willingness to lie, be deceitful, and do anything needed to get the job done. Alone, each of them is only half a candidate. But together, they make an ideal guardian for the island's shores.

I could go along with this... it sort of fits into this feeling I had that if Claudia hadn't have had twins, she would have lived. Having twins changed the game (not literally- or..yeah?), so Mother killed her.

[bklynred]

I give up. Seriously.

On another note, I also really liked the acting, although I thought this episode was completely out of sync with the series. The little boys were little miniatures of themselves.

[Ella]

I wonder if the Lost writers are Chris de Burgh fans. Jacob and MIB remind of the Lord and the Devil in the song "Spanish Train". They're always playing games to win the souls.

Well that Spanish train still runs between,
Quadalquivir and old Seville,
And at dead of night the whistle blows,
And people fear she's running still...
And far away in some recess
The Lord and the Devil are now playing chess,
The Devil still cheats and wins more souls,
And as for the Lord, well, he's just doing his best...


Sorry if this was a bit OT.

[bklynred]

Nothing's really OT when it comes to Lost... Or maybe, it's everything's OT?

[Ella]

That show sure gets in your head doesn't it? I was awake in the middle of the night thinking about last nights episode. They better come out with a book explaining EVERYTHING! Or maybe when the sell the dvd at Xmas time, they'll have a whole dvd explaining it all..