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Post by Spinderella on Mar 29, 2020 1:50:15 GMT -4
So this episode really reeled me back in. It's a sad, gut-wrenching, and serious episode, but one that they enviably had to get to. I will say, the Rev. War historian in me had to have pause with the number of men killed in the battle (on both sides) not being as great in real life as it played out on screen. There were 300 injured on the Regulators side, but at least they made it seem that there wasn't that many wounded for Claire to tend to as her tent was empty for a good chunk towards the end. SPOILERS: {Spoiler}I think we all knew that Murtagh's exit would have to be at some point soon. His involvement in the war gave way to that and the fact that he wasn't in the books at this point is a huge point, too. I don't think that Roger is really dead, either. The trailer leads one to believe that they're "gifting" Bree 5000 acres as an apology, but maybe it's because they did something else to Roger (capture him as a prisoner), but I doubt he's the one that was hanged. I think the writers did a superb job with letting us hear the voice of William MacKenzie before seeing him. I knew who that was the instant he uttered his first word. What a wonderful way to incorporate that person into the show and it makes total sense to do it, too. SPOILER: {Spoiler}It is Dougal's son, after all! Makes sense that he would look and sound so much like his father. And there we go again with Roger getting beat up by a family member, and his 4x great grandfather at that! It'll be interesting to see how Claire is able to administer her penicillin. Personally, I think she can find someone to fashion more vials and design a needle to make it work. She's seen the inner workings of a syringe for a long time now, hopefully she can figure that out. Of course, so much death and destruction on Jamie's birthday, no less. This show stinks at letting anyone be happy during celebrations. |
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Post by kostgard on Mar 29, 2020 22:23:53 GMT -4
Pfffffft. Yeah. They pointedly didn’t show the dead guy’s face, so it is totally not Roger. Whatever actually did happen to Rog I hope it is enough that it scares him into going back to the future. They are trying so hard to make Bree/Rog happen by making their relationship more physical and it just isn’t happening. Those two have zero chemistry. It’s like slapping two dead fish together.
Also, we went through this whole thing where Marsali is Claire’s apprentice, and...we get to watch Bree be her assistant. Just...no. No other characters get to be developed because they can’t find anything compelling about Bree and Roger so they get slotted into spaces that other characters did and should occupy. Like, the scene with Murtagh and Rog would have had more weight if it was Fergus because there is actually history there. Murtagh barely knows Roger. Who cares.
And yes, of the two characters that died or “died” this episode, having Rog be the one who survives is unacceptable.
So, this was Jamie’s 50th birthday? Doesn’t that mean Claire is pushing 60? Those two look remarkable good for their age (I know they are both a lot closer to 40 IRL, but they took the time to show them nude this episode and nothing on Claire is sagging and you could break a brick on Jamie’s chest - making Roger look all the more like he was molded out of mayonnaise).
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Post by Spinderella on Mar 30, 2020 1:51:14 GMT -4
So, this was Jamie’s 50th birthday? Doesn’t that mean Claire is pushing 60? I believe she's approx. 54. I was trying to remember the amount of years difference between travels and she came over in 1968 (her time) and ended up in 1766 (Jamie's time). If the battle took place in 1771, that's 5 years and Claire would have just turned 50 when she went through the stones. I don't know if they've ever shared when Jamie's actual birthday is, but I Googled it and it's apparently May 1st. The actual Battle of Alamance took place on May 16, 1771 -- so maybe they fudged it a little. But May 1st is also Beltane, which is the day that Claire went through the Stones in 1946, so the first time she met Jamie was on his birthday (but not the same day in the past, I assume). Watching them insert Bree into helping Claire gave me pause, too. I was thinking how quickly she got over her disgust for blood and gore. Let's just dive right in for a bloody battle field infirmary! I'm thinking that Roger was taken by the Regulators (his grandfather) and is being held somewhere. Maybe Gov. Tyron feels "guilty" about letting one of the militia become captured and wanted to make it up to her with land. Whatever. I'm sure that the Mackenzies will go back to the future eventually, because seriously, this shit just doesn't work for them. Plus, you've got stupid Stephen Bonnet running around and all his psycho madness. I'm just surprised that they didn't come out and say that Jemmy is absolutely Roger's based on a birthmark or something. That would sure clear things up and put an end this stupid storyline. |
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Post by kostgard on Mar 30, 2020 3:30:58 GMT -4
So, this was Jamie’s 50th birthday? Doesn’t that mean Claire is pushing 60? I believe she's approx. 54. I was trying to remember the amount of years difference between travels and she came over in 1968 (her time) and ended up in 1766 (Jamie's time). If the battle took place in 1771, that's 5 years and Claire would have just turned 50 when she went through the stones. I don't know if they've ever shared when Jamie's actual birthday is, but I Googled it and it's apparently May 1st. The actual Battle of Alamance took place on May 16, 1771 -- so maybe they fudged it a little. But May 1st is also Beltane, which is the day that Claire went through the Stones in 1946, so the first time she met Jamie was on his birthday (but not the same day in the past, I assume). Watching them insert Bree into helping Claire gave me pause, too. I was thinking how quickly she got over her disgust for blood and gore. Let's just dive right in for a bloody battle field infirmary! I'm thinking that Roger was taken by the Regulators (his grandfather) and is being held somewhere. Maybe Gov. Tyron feels "guilty" about letting one of the militia become captured and wanted to make it up to her with land. Whatever. I'm sure that the Mackenzies will go back to the future eventually, because seriously, this shit just doesn't work for them. Plus, you've got stupid Stephen Bonnet running around and all his psycho madness. I'm just surprised that they didn't come out and say that Jemmy is absolutely Roger's based on a birthmark or something. That would sure clear things up and put an end this stupid storyline. Okay, for some reason I thought Claire was 7-9 years older than Jamie. I didn’t realize it was only five. As for Jemmy - this episode I was thinking they really picked a kid that looks like Bonnet. |
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Post by Spinderella on Mar 30, 2020 5:23:16 GMT -4
As for Jemmy - this episode I was thinking they really picked a kid that looks like Bonnet. ZING! I shy from saying things for fear it's just me. But during their scenes, I couldn't help but think that he's such a towhead and that maybe he's hair will darken? My husband was like that and now his hair is a dark brown, but his baby pictures you'd never know. It's a pretty common thing, I guess. But I figured with their parents (if he really is Roger's) being red/auburn haired...nah, forget it. This show has clearly sided with the "we'll do whatever we want" train of thought, I'm not going down that path again! And yes, I think that Jamie is clearly in great shape for 50, but then again, there are a lot of men that can look like that if they're incredibly physical in their daily lives. I'd think he'd maybe look a little worse with all the shit he's gone through with war and tragedy -- but I'll take it. Claire I really think is just lucky with good genes. Given that she's lead a life that's been unique and she takes good care of herself, even when she was 200 years in the past, I'm fine with it. However, like you said, kostgard there isn't anything sagging and for someone that was a mother -- you'd think her bobbies wouldn't be youthful, if you will. But it was the 1940s and 1950s and women were moving towards a bottle vs. breastfeeding I believe. |
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Post by Ladybug on Mar 30, 2020 11:30:05 GMT -4
Book readers be like "Oh, yeah, we know what happened to Roger"  I think Claire's first trip through the stones happened close to Samhain, which occurs at the end of October. If I remember correctly her trip (or maybe Geilis?) in 1968 happened around Beltane. I loved Graham McTavish's cameo! That was an amazing callback. And the fact that they borrowed Murtaugh's lines from Voyager for this episode. |
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Post by Spinderella on Mar 30, 2020 21:00:01 GMT -4
Samhain, which occurs at the end of October. If I remember correctly her trip (or maybe Geilis?) in 1968 happened around Beltane. Yes, on the show it was Samhain. The Outlander Wiki and whatnot pages have said that both Claire and Geilis did their travels on Beltane. I have no idea when it comes to the books. |
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Post by lea1977 on Mar 30, 2020 22:06:13 GMT -4
No enough Adso the cat.
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Post by roseland on Apr 6, 2020 12:36:02 GMT -4
In the book, Jemmy has bright red hair, that matches book Jamie and book Brianna.
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Post by kostgard on Apr 12, 2020 2:40:48 GMT -4
Oh, my god, Outlander.
Let. Roger. Go. Home.
Also? Don’t care. But it’s painful for both of us to have him in the 18th century, so let’s end the misery.
That didn’t feel like much of a send off for Murtagh.
I hope the actors playing Fergus and Lord John enjoy the time it takes to get into their wigs to collect their paychecks, because they are both given precisely dick to do all season. I also hope they stuff a bunch of sandwiches from craft services into their bags whenever they are on set and take them home, to make the trip worth while.
At least Marsali had a few moments where she could be lovely and charming. And that’s why she doesn’t suck - she’s lovely and funny and charming. Bree, on the other hand, is a total drag. Even when her husband isn’t shellshocked and she isn’t loudly and aggressively singing “My Darling Clementine.”
It was nice seeing Ian and Rollo, even though Ian was bummed out.
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