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Post by Wol on Dec 10, 2019 12:18:27 GMT -4
You can't libel the dead, so they ran with it. Pretty revolting and disappointing because Billy Ray is a good screenwriter otherwise. I side eye the whole movie. Who cares about Richard Jewell any more? The Feldstein children are awful. Nepotism at its worst.
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Post by Mutagen on Dec 10, 2019 12:47:22 GMT -4
I honestly would watch a Richard Jewell movie, but I have no interest in seeing this one - and acting as if Clint "I'm blacklisting my ex-wife Sondra Locke" Eastwood is making any kind of feminist statement is beyond a crock of shit.
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Post by Ginger on Dec 10, 2019 13:10:59 GMT -4
You can't libel the dead, so they ran with it. Pretty revolting and disappointing because Billy Ray is a good screenwriter otherwise. Billy Ray is the screenwriter who did the original draft of The Hunger Games script. He felt that Katniss's boyfriend (Gale) didn't have a big enough role and completely changed the plot to make Katniss's boyfriend the hero who escapes from District 12, makes his way to the Capitol, and outsmarts everyone to rescue Katniss from the arena. Somebody leaked the script on the internet (I think it was someone who was trying to keep that travesty from happening) and his script was rewritten. I know he's respected in Hollywood, but I see no good reason for it. And the fact that he would change the plot of The Hunger Games from a female heroine surviving by her own wits and strength (the whole point of the series!) and turning her boyfriend into the hero instead made me forever mistrust how he portrays women. That he would casually portray a female journalist as trading sexual favors for a story when there is no reason to believe she did that is not surprising to me. |
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Post by Ladybug on Dec 10, 2019 13:46:11 GMT -4
But I thought better of Wilde. I have found that many Hollywood figures are happy to jump on board the feminism #MeToo #TimesUp train until it comes to their own careers. Then they are happy to make excuses and say "this time is different." See also: Scarlett Johannson. Wilde is basically throwing a dead female journalist under the bus so she can campaign for an Oscar in a Clint Eastwood movie. |
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Post by Wol on Dec 10, 2019 13:59:29 GMT -4
You can't libel the dead, so they ran with it. Pretty revolting and disappointing because Billy Ray is a good screenwriter otherwise. Billy Ray is the screenwriter who did the original draft of The Hunger Games script. He felt that Katniss's boyfriend (Gale) didn't have a big enough role and completely changed the plot to make Katniss's boyfriend the hero who escapes from District 12, makes his way to the Capitol, and outsmarts everyone to rescue Katniss from the arena. Somebody leaked the script on the internet (I think it was someone who was trying to keep that travesty from happening) and his script was rewritten. I know he's respected in Hollywood, but I see no good reason for it. And the fact that he would change the plot of The Hunger Games from a female heroine surviving by her own wits and strength (the whole point of the series!) and turning her boyfriend into the hero instead made me forever mistrust how he portrays women. That he would casually portray a female journalist as trading sexual favors for a story when there is no reason to believe she did that is not surprising to me. Good point, but on a huge project like that it's possible that was a note from the studio execs that he had to execute. Remember these are the kind of people who wanted to cast Julia Roberts as Harriet Tubman. Building up a male character is totally something the studio would do thinking it would put butts in seats and they caved when fans freaked when it leaked. I completely take back what I said about why the Richard Jewell movie got made. Just read some reviews. It's heavy on "don't trust the fake news mainstream media." Crazy Uncle Clint true to form. |
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Post by kostgard on Dec 10, 2019 14:08:10 GMT -4
Charlotte Clymer had a very good thread today on Twitter about how damaging Wilde's defense of all this is. It isn't about a woman embracing her sexuality. It's about the assumption that women can't be successful without boning her way there.
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Post by Ginger on Dec 10, 2019 14:41:13 GMT -4
Good point, but on a huge project like that it's possible that was a note from the studio execs that he had to execute. Nina Jacobson said she allowed Billy Ray to experiment with plot changes, but ultimately vetoed it and brought it back to the faithful adaptation of the book that she and Lionsgate had always planned. Nobody involved in the movie seemed to want to throw him under the bus, but they did make it clear that the plot deviations were his idea. I read that Billy Ray didn't think it was possible to establish a credible love triangle if Gale was not very present in the first movie (ok that's reasonable) and also such a passive (implication: unmasculine) character. |
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Post by Ladybug on Dec 10, 2019 15:04:02 GMT -4
I read that Billy Ray didn't think it was possible to establish a credible love triangle if Gale was not very present in the first movie And yet Suzanne Collins did establish this pretty well in the book. Back on topic - did anyone see Booksmart? What is your opinion of Olivia as a filmmaker? |
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Post by Ginger on Dec 10, 2019 15:35:13 GMT -4
I am waiting for Booksmart to stream free somewhere before I see it, but the recent reviews I've read have me much less excited about it.
What I've read of the plot sounds just like dumb movie I saw recently called The To Do List with Aubrey Plaza. Both movies have been described as "a female Superbad".
Both movies are also by female directors, which makes me wonder if this is some new female director sub-genre.
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Post by petitesuite on Dec 10, 2019 16:03:56 GMT -4
I thought Booksmart was great! (Haven't seen Superbad so cannot comment on how similar it may or may not be.) I think anyone who had a borderline co-dependent close friendship with another woman in high school or anyone who spent part of high school feeling like being a Good Kid wasn't 100% paying off would appreciate it. But it's definitely not all super highbrow humor (which is maybe where the Superbad comparisons are coming from?), there is some gross-out stuff in there.
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