Louis C.K.

[madangela]

Nov 10, 2017 17:04:54 GMT -4 HotLips said:

Nov 10, 2017 14:35:31 GMT -4 dragonflie said:

ETA- his statement is "good"- in that it takes responsibility and is contrite. But... I just can't get past the surrealness of it. Really Louis??? You had to LEARN that it wasn't ok the masturbate in front of women at will/random whilst you trapped them in a closet/room? Like, is that the level we are at now? Where we have to teach the most obvious basic things to people or else they will just be pulling out their penises and rubbing them on us- because- well, how were they to know that wasn't ok??!! WTF.

I think his statement was well crafted bullshit. He's only remorseful because he got caught and his career is now damaged. Like you said, he's a grown man who seems intelligent enough. If he'd spent a moment thinking about it he should have realized that masturbating in front of these women would emotionally damage them. I'm sure he heard "No, please put your dick away" on a regular basis. But he continued to whip it out because he didn't care about anything except his own gratification. I think he's a sociopath tbh. The only difference between him and some random perv who jerks off at the bus station is power and money.

Seriously. What did he THINK he was doing if not embarrassing and disturbing women? Oh, I didn't know they didnt like it! Give me a fucking break.

And aside from that, how JUVENILE is "look at my peepee!"? God. What is wrong with men like this? Women should start carrying red spray paint and let old one-eyed dick have a fresh coat when he isn't specifically invited to appear.

[Binky]

His response is pretty baffling. Most men, I'd go so far as the majority of men, know not to masturbate in front of (or on the phone with) non-signficant others. And they know why a woman won't report them for doing it, and it's not because that behavior was fine and dandy. I would have much more respect for him if he followed Richard Dreyfuss' lead of admitting to doing awful things (even if he denied the specific accusation). His trademark self-reflection really ends at his sexual compulsion.

[dragonflie]

Pamela Adlon's statement:

Hi. I’m here. I have to say something. It’s so important.

My family and I are devastated and in shock after the admission of abhorrent behavior by my friend and partner, Louis C.K. I feel deep sorrow and empathy for the women who have come forward. I am asking for privacy at this time for myself and my family. I am processing and grieving and hope to say more as soon as I am able.

via FX

[Auroranorth]

I'm glad she said something. And she's not defending him. That's a relief.

[famvir]

In his movie I Love You Daddy, Louie CK allows his underage daughter to “date” a 68 yo star who CK admires.

I have unfortunately have had not a small amount of experience with parents, friends, etc “offering up” attractive young girls/boys/teens in order to score points with an idol.

Think, some of the parents who “offered up” their children to Michael Jackson.

Maybe because I grew up around the LA meat market, or was friends and friends of friends with rock groups, it was something I saw all the time. It’s kind of what a groupie is all about, isn’t it? And sometimes it’s the 15 yo offering herself up, and sometimes her parents are involved in allowing this to happen, because, shit, their daughter is “dating” Mick Jagger.

Is it statutory if the guy is famous the the teen is all on board?

In college, a stunning 17 freshman drama major thought she had to sleep with every guy who asked....some of those who asked were professors in their 60’s and casting couch situations.

I’m glad this all being called out. I hope with the players being big shots, and having much heavier punishment than the “boys will be boys,” that a very large light will be shown in this and that some major changes might be made.

I unfortunately have doubts for the long term. But if we can get some of these ahole’s out, thank god for that at least.

[dragonflie]

Woody Allen's new film comes out December 1st. No mention of outrage at that in Hollywood. I have my doubts too.

(Vox did an article on Polanski and Allen, asking why they have been immune to this purge. It's the 1st artcile I've seen even mention this).

[MrsCatHead]

Nov 12, 2017 13:32:48 GMT -4 famvir said:

I unfortunately have doubts for the long term. But if we can get some of these ahole’s out, thank god for that at least.

I've been thinking about this too. I feel like *right now* is the time for women to "come out," so to speak, and talk about the ongoing harassment. But I also know that the blow-back is coming soon. And it's going to be HUGE. Because this gets at the very core of ideas about maleness and femaleness. Powerful White men, esp. are not going to easily let go of what they view as behavior they are entitled to as "men."

[mrspickles]

Nov 12, 2017 16:41:28 GMT -4 MrsCatHead said:

Nov 12, 2017 13:32:48 GMT -4 famvir said:

I unfortunately have doubts for the long term. But if we can get some of these ahole’s out, thank god for that at least.

I've been thinking about this too. I feel like *right now* is the time for women to "come out," so to speak, and talk about the ongoing harassment. But I also know that the blow-back is coming soon. And it's going to be HUGE. Because this gets at the very core of ideas about maleness and femaleness. Powerful White men, esp. are not going to easily let go of what they view as behavior they are entitled to as "men."

As heartbreaking, disgusting and awful as some of the stories are, I think any real change is going to come from the mass of stories of everyday harassment and casual assault that every woman in the world has and many are now starting to share with the men in their lives. The good men that I know are shocked and horrified at how prevalent it has been and they really can't dismiss the stories from their mother/wife/sister/aunt/grandmother.

[luminosa]

I really appreciate what Marc Maron has said on his podcast...so far. I’m listening to it right now.

On a separate note- I was at a party last night and the birthday boy is a comedian and he came up with Louis. I was standing there talking with him and another woman and of course he makes a LCK joke (ugh) and the woman that was there (who is also in comedy) goes- what’s the big deal? He asked and they said okay. I was like- I’m going to have to stop you right there. He asked and they didn’t say no. There is a big difference. For whatever reason (parylization, fear, shock, whatever the fuck reason they didn’t say no, it doesn’t matter). And then she said- well he apologized! I said- yeah, years and years after the fact when he was put in a position where he couldn’t flat out deny it anymore.

She’s like- oh I didn’t know that he denied it. I knew it had to be true because he showed me his penis years ago, but I said yes. I said- great. That’s the difference. You gave your consent and I’m surprised you aren’t able to see what the big deal is for the women that didn’t. Then I walked away. This is why I mostly stay home. Lol.

[SweetOblivion]

People who say "But he asked first!!" make my pimp slapping hand itchy.