John Mulaney

[peace47]

The only burning question that I have about this situation anymore is *when* Olivia and John break up, which one of them gets custody of Seth Meyers and the first Seth Meyers interview slot? John’s probably tighter with Seth than Olivia is, but Seth’s wife is very tight with Olivia, and she’s got to have some significant sway.

I follow Anna on Instagram, and she has included in her stories people who have tagged her with their photos of themselves posing with copies of her works that they have purchased. There’s been a fair number of rather young women excitedly holding up copies of her prints, so Anna seems to resonate with a pretty young demographic, which may just be a function of young people being on the platform more, but I think there is more to it. Like, I contrast that with Jessica Seinfeld, whom I also follow and who has a new vegan cookbook out, and when Jessica puts fans in her stories, they seem to run a little bit older. I think a lot of really young women embraced Anna through John’s fame amongst the young social media crowd, and I’ve thought it nice that they’ve seemingly stuck with her after John moved on.

[dragonflie]

I find it interesting... odd maybe is a better word... that some people are leaping to defend a man who has- HIMSELF- stated he is kinda a piece of sh%t, has lied and treated those he loves and who love him horribly, who is an addict - these are all things HE says about himself. Yet, others are leaping up to assume John was up front/honest, that he was honorable in ANY way in this split. Where is that presumption coming from? Not even John has said as much? (or- has he? maybe I missed it- but- he is also an admitted liar and manipulator).

I don't think it takes any leap what so ever to be team Anna. Even if you are a fan of John- look at his own words, even recently. He's kinda a sh%t person by his own admission.

eta: while I get the sentiment of being PI$$ED if my partner was adamant about no kids- then 5 minutes after meeting his new piece he has a baby- I think it's REALLY the best thing for Anna. Who wants kids with a person like him?

[hellsbells]

I just think people like him and want to continue liking him, so they are making mental gymnastics happen here.

I don't have that problem, though. I think he behaved like a totally selfish asshole. I feel for his ex wife. But if he makes another comedy special, I'll probably watch it on Netflix.

Why? Because as human beings we are complicated people capable of good and bad things.

Also, I have addiction run in my family and I know what it does to people. Addiction leads kind people to make really selfish and self destructive choices. JM is no different. He hurt a lot of people around him.

I do root for him to get his act together (like I would with anybody else with substance abuse problems). But my sympathies lie with Anna.

[Binky]

Jan 15, 2022 9:01:10 GMT -4 hellsbells said:

I just think people like him and want to continue liking him, so they are making mental gymnastics happen here.

I don't have that problem, though. I think he behaved like a totally selfish asshole. I feel for his ex wife. But if he makes another comedy special, I'll probably watch it on Netflix.
I do root for him to get his act together (like I would with anybody else with substance abuse problems). But my sympathies lie with Anna.

Same here. Hopefully he’s funny again. I found him toothless and irrelevant in the age of Trump (also wondering if his relapse played a role there, honestly). But I used to enjoy him, and just because he (like many comics) dicked over his ex-wife, doesn’t bar him from the stage. He could actually make divorce/parenthood really funny, potentially.

[lae]

Honestly, I am neutral on John Mulaney. I don’t love him or hate him. Some of his comedy is funny and I enjoy it. From that perspective, I think what he did is a douchebag move but I don’t think he’s evil or irredeemable. I can see where people would still like him. Marriages fail for a variety of reasons. It’s nothing out of the ordinary. He maybe cheated on his wife, it’s not very clear, but people unfortunately cheat. He decided to divorce her, which is his right. No one has to stay married. He got another woman pregnant. It sounds like it was consensual, if not accidental, and they are trying to co parent and take care of the child. It’s not pretty and I feel badly for his wife and I think if she is using this to boost her career, more power to her, but it’s not a criminal move. Using drugs is technically criminal but it sounds like he is trying to seek help, if obviously not following all the right steps, and addiction is complicated. It’s a red flag for sure but decent people can struggle with drugs and alcohol. I don’t know. This has always seemed to be more like he is struggling with addiction, people and relationships are complicated, and the marriage went down in a bad way, but it’s nothing horrific. I will still listen to his comedy if he releases new stuff and I hear it’s funny. Now someone like Louis CK is an unrepentant sexual predator (not that repenting would make me like him) who should have his career go up in flames. I’m outraged by something like that.

[cremetangerine82]

Jan 15, 2022 16:41:14 GMT -4 lae said:

Honestly, I am neutral on John Mulaney. I don’t love him or hate him. Some of his comedy is funny and I enjoy it. From that perspective, I think what he did is a douchebag move but I don’t think he’s evil or irredeemable. I can see where people would still like him. Marriages fail for a variety of reasons. It’s nothing out of the ordinary. He maybe cheated on his wife, it’s not very clear, but people unfortunately cheat. He decided to divorce her, which is his right. No one has to stay married. He got another woman pregnant. It sounds like it was consensual, if not accidental, and they are trying to co parent and take care of the child. It’s not pretty and I feel badly for his wife and I think if she is using this to boost her career, more power to her, but it’s not a criminal move. Using drugs is technically criminal but it sounds like he is trying to seek help, if obviously not following all the right steps, and addiction is complicated. It’s a red flag for sure but decent people can struggle with drugs and alcohol. I don’t know. This has always seemed to be more like he is struggling with addiction, people and relationships are complicated, and the marriage went down in a bad way, but it’s nothing horrific. I will still listen to his comedy if he releases new stuff and I hear it’s funny. Now someone like Louis CK is an unrepentant sexual predator (not that repenting would make me like him) who should have his career go up in flames. I’m outraged by something like that.

Louis C.K.’s comeback makes me a little sad, but a little frightening that many male stans are willing to look past his sexual predatory behavior because “it wasn’t like he was Cosby!” or “he asked them first!” as if that mitigates his actions.
Topic: I just hope the best for for John Mulaney’s son and Anna.

[lpatrice]

Jan 14, 2022 13:23:25 GMT -4 Mutagen said:

If she really did give up her prime childbearing years only for him to turn around and impregnate someone fresh out of rehab.... yeah he deserves to get put on blast and she deserves to get whatever she can out of it. I mean I take her interview with a grain of salt, as I do with all celebrity interviews. We don't know what happened behind closed doors, people change, yada yada. But I don't think she should have to cover for him if he really was that much of a dick.

I disagree. Women need to own their choices - and it sounds like she is but the interwebs is intent on turning her into a victim. John said he didn’t want children and she was okay with that. She decided to prioritize her relationship with John over potentially having kids while she was with him; that was her choice. Also, let’s be real here, it seems pretty obvious that Baby Mulaney was an oops baby and it’s not as though John went out and intentionally decided to get someone pregnant just to stick to his (at the time) soon to be ex-wife. I don’t know what option he had when it came to be a dad; birth control can fail and people are acting as though he should have pulled an Owen Wilson or try to force Olivia to have an abortion because of optics. Never change white feminism never change.

[Ginger]

May 29, 2005 13:06:38 GMT -4 lpatrice said:

I disagree. Women need to own their choices - and it sounds like she is but the interwebs is intent on turning her into a victim. John said he didn’t want children and she was okay with that. She decided to prioritize her relationship with John over potentially having kids while she was with him; that was her choice.

She made that decision in the context of marriage vows that they would stay together permanently and love, honor, cherish, and all of that. A person has the right to be upset when one half of the partnership abruptly and flagrantly breaks the vows and trashes the life that had been built together. And onlookers can also say that it's shitty behavior and feel sympathy.

Anna herself didn't seem to be better about the baby issue. She said it was a door that had been closed and was now open again.

[Mutagen]

Jan 19, 2022 20:34:16 GMT -4 lpatrice said:

Jan 14, 2022 13:23:25 GMT -4 Mutagen said:

If she really did give up her prime childbearing years only for him to turn around and impregnate someone fresh out of rehab.... yeah he deserves to get put on blast and she deserves to get whatever she can out of it. I mean I take her interview with a grain of salt, as I do with all celebrity interviews. We don't know what happened behind closed doors, people change, yada yada. But I don't think she should have to cover for him if he really was that much of a dick.

I disagree. Women need to own their choices - and it sounds like she is but the interwebs is intent on turning her into a victim. John said he didn’t want children and she was okay with that. She decided to prioritize her relationship with John over potentially having kids while she was with him; that was her choice. Also, let’s be real here, it seems pretty obvious that Baby Mulaney was an oops baby and it’s not as though John went out and intentionally decided to get someone pregnant just to stick to his (at the time) soon to be ex-wife. I don’t know what option he had when it came to be a dad; birth control can fail and people are acting as though he should have pulled an Owen Wilson or try to force Olivia to have an abortion because of optics. Never change white feminism never change.

I'm not sure how a very qualified "If X happened, and I take her comments with a grain of salt" comment got turned into St. Anna Marie of Perpetual Martyrdom. We can think she has ownership of her choices *while also* thinking he's behaved badly and that she is not under any obligation to stay quiet about that, as some comments on this board were suggesting at the time I commented. Also, "white feminism"? As if white dudes like Mulaney don't have huge swathes of the internet falling all over themselves to defend him by default?

Mulaney's messy choices are ultimately pretty minor on the scale of celebrity scandals, and people acting like he personally betrayed them are kind of ridiculous. But the opinion "maybe the dude who made a lot of very public shitty choices was also kind of shitty to his ex-wife" should not be a controversial opinion on what is purportedly a celebrity snark board. 

[cremetangerine82]

CW: transphobia, homophobia

Damnit, John!