horseface
Lady in Waiting
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Post by horseface on May 19, 2021 10:10:18 GMT -4
I agree that Munn’s thing seems to be trying too hard to be the “cool girl”. Reminds of a quote from Gone Girl about men falling for the cool girl who doesn’t really exist. That's funny because Jezebel (and others) criticized the hiring of Olivia as a correspondent for The Daily Show, citing her complete lack of comedy credentials. They said something about how her comedy chops seemed to consist solely of her ability to put things in her mouth suggestively, which echoes another part of that "cool girl" monologue. Olivia is one of those celebrities who, when people date her, I know something is wrong with them. Minka Kelly is another one. Trevor Noah has dated both of them, which is how I know there is definitely something wrong with Trevor Noah, regardless of how together he might otherwise seem. (Never.Marry.A.Comedian.) Off topic, so please forgive me, but I just finished his book! Based on his stand up, commentary and books it seems Trevor has had a metric fuck ton of trauma. He also seems quite self aware in many areas. I wonder if Trevor's issues are confined to the women he dates? Topic: I have heard it is a VERY bad idea to date while early in recovery. I hope John knows what he is doing. |
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Post by famvir on May 19, 2021 10:30:04 GMT -4
He doesn’t....
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Post by Ginger on May 19, 2021 10:40:06 GMT -4
I don't know yet whether John is a different person from who he's portrayed himself to be. He's always made it clear that when he's abusing substances, he turns into a maniac. He's not just someone who overindulges a little, he goes hog wild about it. And he's also said - before and now - that he does shitty things to the people in his life when he's not sober. I think we've seen a glimpse of that in how his marriage has panned out. He relapsed over two years ago. He might have been a great husband before that, and then wasn't so much anymore. some of John's fans were attacking Anna because they blamed her for his relapse, or because they assumed she abandoned him when he relapsed. Why shouldn't she get her side of the story out there? I'm not saying she needs to go full scorched earth (and it so far looks like she hasn't), but I don't think she's obligated to spare him embarrassment in the process of defending herself. Exactly. I read some terrible assumptions about her before she contributed the very little bit that she did. Like it or not - and I don't think she likes it - the media was writing about her divorce. She gets a say. Also, part of the rehab process is the addict taking responsibility for the bad things they did to the people in their lives when they were using. It's not necessarily doing him any favors to let him just slide out of the marriage (and right into a new relationship) without acknowledging the truth. I'm not necessarily 100% convinced he's totally sober now. He did 30-day rehab last fall and come out of it purporting to his friends and family to be sober, and wasn't. His 60-day stay was publicized, so it sort of follows that he would not come out and say it didn't work. He's saying the right things and it seems legit, but you never know. ETA: Speaking of the real him, this exchange with Stephen Colbert last year made me think something was off. I think it struck a lot of his fans that way. It's a weird and telling anecdote. His wife pointed out to him that he's "really fake" around his mom, and then asked him how she's supposed to know that she's seeing the real him if he puts on fake personas with his family? And his answer was, "YOU DON'T." |
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Landed Gentry
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Post by ahah on May 19, 2021 10:52:26 GMT -4
But to what degree is the media still writing about her divorce because she's giving them information to write? When neither member of a divorcing couple feed information beyond the initial announcement, the discussion usually dies down. Without commentary, at this point it's a story about what an a-hole John is for hanging out with Olivia Munn.
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Post by Ginger on May 19, 2021 11:01:16 GMT -4
I don't think Anna has done anything to significantly extend the lifespan of the story.
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Post by kostgard on May 19, 2021 11:59:17 GMT -4
The main thing that seemed to ignite real interest in the story was the announcement that Mulvaney and Munn were dating (and that came from legitimate sources, like People magazine. And by "legitimate" I mean "They got the story directly from one of their publicists").
The social media reactions to Mulaney lately seemed to be:
Oh, he's going on tour again? Cool! I love his comedy! I hope he's doing okay!
Oh, man, and and his wife are divorcing. That's sad. And he's the one who initiated it? I hope he's okay.
He's dating Olivia Munn. Wait...WHAT?
Anna did raise some eyebrows with the way she worded her statement about the divorce, but I so also remember the rumors about her walking away from him in his hour of need, and people blaming her for his troubles. So, I kinda don't blame her for being all, "We're getting divorced and it was HIS decision."
And I agree that the thing with Munn will probably implode. Actually, it feels like a lot of stuff he's doing will end up imploding. He really is going down the checklist of "Things you shouldn't do while you are in recovery" and making sure that he does every single one of them.
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ahah
Landed Gentry
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Post by ahah on May 19, 2021 12:36:17 GMT -4
In addition to the statement which made it clear it was his choice, she also had several instagram posts portraying her sorrow when there was speculation of them splitting. In addition to that, there's been speculation for a few years now based on when she was and was not wearing her wedding ring, when she did and did not show up at events with him.
Look, I don't fault anyone for courting fame. Anna made a decision to be in the public eye, and has done it well. I simply think it takes two people to make a marriage fail, and don't think it all falls on one parties shoulders - especially when one side is able to share their thoughts more than the other.
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Post by laurenj on May 19, 2021 12:59:33 GMT -4
I agree that Munn’s thing seems to be trying too hard to be the “cool girl”. Reminds of a quote from Gone Girl about men falling for the cool girl who doesn’t really exist. Her dating history and this new entanglement also gives me "Me Before You" vibes, in the sense that the relationships would never have an opportunity to happen when those guys were at their peak, something had to bring them down before she gets a chance at them. Which suggests some kind of insecurity on her part, that she targets the wounded stars rather than maybe finding some less successful or less high-profile person without all the trauma. The media is still writing about her divorce because she was married to one of the most famous comics around these days. John Mulaney has had a huge explosion in popularity over the last several years, they are writing about it because of him, not because of her. |
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Post by Binky on May 19, 2021 13:00:25 GMT -4
There was some vile "How dare she abandon him in his hour of need" stuff on the internet - I would guess her statement was a pushback to that and likely a direct message to her ex-husband.
I hope he is able to recover sobriety AND return as an engaging performer. I enjoyed most of his standup prior to 2016 (I thought his comedy in the age of Trump was...irrelevant),and I hope his ex-wife is happy and prosperous, and also a happy future for their dog.
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Post by Ginger on May 19, 2021 13:03:29 GMT -4
In addition to that, there's been speculation for a few years now based on when she was and was not wearing her wedding ring, when she did and did not show up at events with him. He also didn't wear his wedding ring a few times. So? Only die-hard Mulaney fans were paying any attention to that stuff. I'm assuming there has been turbulence in their marriage for some time. The timeline of their difficulties seems to coincide with his sobriety relapse and I don't think that's unrelated, but also may not be the sole cause. I don't think anyone pretends to have all of the why's and how's firmly nailed down. They have both kept that private so far. Anna made a decision to be in the public eye, and has done it well. John joked that his grandmother said to him, "If you weren't my grandson, I would have no idea who you are." He's barely famous himself and his wife's fame is a tiny fraction of that. I don't think posting a handful of artsy self portraits on instagram over a period of about 6 months is courting fame. Photography has been one of her means of expression for decades and she has every right to continue expressing herself that way. She didn't post any explanations. The photographs were so subtle that me, someone who was paying close attention, didn't fully get their meaning. and don't think it all falls on one parties shoulders - especially when one side is able to share their thoughts more than the other. John has substantially more opportunity than she does to share his thoughts, including his standup and in-depth interviews, of which he typically does many. I don't foresee Anna ever visiting the podcasts of Marc Maron or Pete Holmes or Seth Meyers to dig into this stuff, but I do expect John to do so when some time has passed. He's ultimately going to determine the final narrative about their marriage, it just won't be right this minute. He's chosen not to address it yet, but I'm sure he will eventually because his comedy is drawn from his life and he has no other choice. I think he will be respectful towards her and her privacy when he does so. |
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