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Post by matti on Mar 26, 2023 10:58:26 GMT -4
I loathe her. In the article someone linked she said she thought at first she was being sexually assaulted and "froze". That is so low. I am sure she didn't settle bc she just assumed she would win because she is Gwyneth Paltrow. I am not quite sure a doctor has the money that GP does and he is only asking for $300,000. I am absolutely positive she ran into him and just didn't care. The same thing happened to my father and he developed a brain bleed which ultimately caused him to be flown to a trauma center and have emergency brain bleed. He was not himself for months and still has debilitating health issues bc of it.
Gwyneth has shown over and over how she thinks she is above us peasants. I hate her for trying to claim she thought it was sexual assault at first. My legs were spread apart - yes because you ran into a man idiot. I also read the ski instructor wasn't even there to witness the accident while people are discounting his daughter who had also said her dad wasn't abusive - which is again a totally shitty thing to do but so Paltrow. Apparently her team trying to fly in the sister who says she was abused.
She is a horrible person. Always has been.
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Post by Ginger on Mar 26, 2023 11:39:47 GMT -4
I loathe her. In the article someone linked she said she thought at first she was being sexually assaulted and "froze". That is so low. I am sure she didn't settle bc she just assumed she would win because she is Gwyneth Paltrow. I am not quite sure a doctor has the money that GP does and he is only asking for $300,000. He sued her for $3.1 million, but had to reduce the damages after a judge dismissed much of his case. So now he's asking for $300k + legal fees. He was already so far into the case at that point that it would be worth it to proceed and try to recover his legal fees. She said she felt his body behind her and his skis slid between her skis. I think it's perfectly natural that for a split second, she thought someone was accosting her and it was sexual. I finally listened to her testimony. She's absolutely insufferable. She looks like she's constantly bemused by how stupid everyone is. And somebody should have videotaped her and pointed out to her what the expression on her resting face looks like because it's really bad. But her testimony itself makes sense and is perfectly believable. For anyone wondering, the price of private ski lessons at Deer Valley for two children is $9k per day. |
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Post by matti on Mar 26, 2023 13:18:54 GMT -4
I loathe her. In the article someone linked she said she thought at first she was being sexually assaulted and "froze". That is so low. I am sure she didn't settle bc she just assumed she would win because she is Gwyneth Paltrow. I am not quite sure a doctor has the money that GP does and he is only asking for $300,000. He sued her for $3.1 million, but had to reduce the damages after a judge dismissed much of his case. So now he's asking for $300k + legal fees. He was already so far into the case at that point that it would be worth it to proceed and try to recover his legal fees. She said she felt his body behind her and his skis slid between her skis. I think it's perfectly natural that for a split second, she thought someone was accosting her and it was sexual. I finally listened to her testimony. She's absolutely insufferable. She looks like she's constantly bemused by how stupid everyone is. And somebody should have videotaped her and pointed out to her what the expression on her resting face looks like because it's really bad. But her testimony itself makes sense and is perfectly believable. For anyone wondering, the price of private ski lessons at Deer Valley for two children is $9k per day. Thank you - I didn't realize he first tried to sue for $3.1 million - regardless I just loathe her in general lol |
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Post by famvir on Mar 26, 2023 14:14:40 GMT -4
The other judge did not rule on the case itself, just that the doctor could not recover punitive damages.
Trying to go with the ski accident being sexual assault? Flying in the sister of the guy, who was not on the hill, to prove that he had a history of this?
Has anyone (even Gwyneth) ever skied before? She’s doing a show plow (on a bunny hill?) and the guy purposely skis between her skis and she froze? Unless her account is just to prove “hey, he ran into me. I remember I froze because Harvey…” I get it , these are the thoughts that went through my mind, that’s how I know he ran into me…”
But if she is really trying to prove he did it on purpose/sexual assault. And she’s in a snowsuit (as is he), maybe a helmet, and I can tell you, that does not happen.
You are on slippery snow, you hit a bump, patch of ice, there’s a snow boarder coming up fast behind you, you cross your ski tips. There is someone in front of you who zigs instead of zags, they cross their ski tips, you plow into them.
There are gloves and popped skies and poles everywhere. Everyone tries to get up, to collect their stuff, people start to show up, someone goes to get the ski patrol.
I’m not even getting into who hit who. (Although it looks like the only witness says Gwyneth hit him.)
That’s a ski accident. No “sexual assault.”
This makes me think Paltrow is going after a Harvey Weinstein “I was traumatized. The other guy may have a brain injury and was hospitalized, but I lost half a day of skiing ($9000 a day for ski lessons) and I had to got a massage.”
I can’t even.
Like I said previously. I don’t think either can prove who hit who. Certainly Paltrow can’t prove he hit her because she has no witnesses. But she thinks she can prove sexual assault on his part? Because of his sister?
I going by what you guys are saying - I honestly am gobsmacked by this.
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Post by Ginger on Mar 26, 2023 15:10:03 GMT -4
But if she is really trying to prove he did it on purpose/sexual assault. She's not at all trying to accuse him of sexual assault. She was just describing what immediately went through her head when she felt him behind her. She said multiple times that it was what went through her head "for a split second". Then she said she realized that he had just crashed into her, and she was mad at him for crashing into her. There is only one witness to the crash, which is the plaintiff's friend. Although the friend is testifying that Gwyneth was at fault, he said in the initial incident report taken at the scene that he didn't see what happened. He also made a remark at the time that his friend had crashed into Gwyneth, directly contradicting what he's saying now. He says he said it in reverse because he's dyslexic. Really, really weak testimony. |
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Post by mrspickles on Mar 26, 2023 15:54:01 GMT -4
But if she is really trying to prove he did it on purpose/sexual assault. She's not at all trying to accuse him of sexual assault. She was just describing what immediately went through her head when she felt him behind her. She said multiple times that it was what went through her head "for a split second". Then she said she realized that he had just crashed into her, and she was mad at him for crashing into her. There is only one witness to the crash, which is the plaintiff's friend. Although the friend is testifying that Gwyneth was at fault, he said in the initial incident report taken at the scene that he didn't see what happened. He also made a remark at the time that his friend had crashed into Gwyneth, directly contradicting what he's saying now. He says he said it in reverse because he's dyslexic. Really, really weak testimony. I read a summary that the treating neurologist testified the plaintiffs injuries could only have been caused by him being hit from behind- did anyone see that testimony? If so, was it as convincing live as it reads? How did the cross examination go? |
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Post by Ginger on Mar 26, 2023 16:17:23 GMT -4
This is the plaintiff's medical expert witness testimony. Basically, he says if Sanderson had crashed into Paltrow, she would have broken his fall and he wouldn't have broken any ribs. That seems really sketchy to me. When bodies and skis collide in a messy way, it's not that simple. Like with the Heard-Depp trial, I think expert testimony is almost useless. Each side has expert witnesses saying what they want them to say. If I were on the jury, right now I'd be thinking: Two people collided on a ski slope. It happens sometimes. It was not intentional. Neither one seemed to be doing anything abnormal or reckless. There's no solid proof either way who skied into who. I'd chalk it up to "accidents happen" and say even if this guy suffered all of the after-effects that he claims, he hasn't proven in any meaningful way that it's her responsibility. And on the other hand: she pays $9k per day for ski lessons for her two kids, and $300k damages is no big deal to her, so... |
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Post by mrspickles on Mar 26, 2023 17:42:05 GMT -4
This is the plaintiff's medical expert witness testimony. Basically, he says if Sanderson had crashed into Paltrow, she would have broken his fall and he wouldn't have broken any ribs. That seems really sketchy to me. When bodies and skis collide in a messy way, it's not that simple. Like with the Heard-Depp trial, I think expert testimony is almost useless. Each side has expert witnesses saying what they want them to say. If I were on the jury, right now I'd be thinking: Two people collided on a ski slope. It happens sometimes. It was not intentional. Neither one seemed to be doing anything abnormal or reckless. There's no solid proof either way who skied into who. I'd chalk it up to "accidents happen" and say even if this guy suffered all of the after-effects that he claims, he hasn't proven in any meaningful way that it's her responsibility. And on the other hand: she pays $9k per day for ski lessons for her two kids, and $300k damages is no big deal to her, so... I wish I had the time to watch this, because like I said at the beginning, and I own this 100%, I wouldn't be sad to see her lose the case just because of who she is and how she is. But in a weird, masochistic way, I would like to be reminded that my personal resentment or whatever it is doesn't determine right/ wrong or legal/ not legal etc. And now I've been reminded that reading the headlines to a summary of the day's events is even less reliable means! |
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Post by matti on Mar 26, 2023 19:15:53 GMT -4
This is the plaintiff's medical expert witness testimony. Basically, he says if Sanderson had crashed into Paltrow, she would have broken his fall and he wouldn't have broken any ribs. That seems really sketchy to me. When bodies and skis collide in a messy way, it's not that simple. Like with the Heard-Depp trial, I think expert testimony is almost useless. Each side has expert witnesses saying what they want them to say. If I were on the jury, right now I'd be thinking: Two people collided on a ski slope. It happens sometimes. It was not intentional. Neither one seemed to be doing anything abnormal or reckless. There's no solid proof either way who skied into who. I'd chalk it up to "accidents happen" and say even if this guy suffered all of the after-effects that he claims, he hasn't proven in any meaningful way that it's her responsibility. And on the other hand: she pays $9k per day for ski lessons for her two kids, and $300k damages is no big deal to her, so... I wish I had the time to watch this, because like I said at the beginning, and I own this 100%, I wouldn't be sad to see her lose the case just because of who she is and how she is. But in a weird, masochistic way, I would like to be reminded that my personal resentment or whatever it is doesn't determine right/ wrong or legal/ not legal etc. And now I've been reminded that reading the headlines to a summary of the day's events is even less reliable means! well it was dropped from 3.1 mill to $300k in large part, because initially he had included the resort as a defendant , and the judge dismissed them from the case because of the inherent risk you take when skiing. people seem to be discrediting the sister and his friend as biased . Shouldn't the same should be done with regards to the ski instructor who is being paid $9k a day from a "celebrity . initially, it was said it the ski instructor wasn't there - which makes sense bc there is actually a law in Utah for any skier that they are required to help any injured fellow skier. And a ski instructor would be required to do so by the resort ( I have skied Deer Park more times than GP LOL.) It's hard to make heads or tails of any of this but flying in an elderly man's daughter, who has made some unconfirmed claims about him being emotionally and sexually abusive is absolutely beyond the pale. The plaintiff should fly in Winona Ryder and the goop staff she supposedly treats like crap. . She thought he initially sexually assaulted yet he didn't. So why are they flying in his daughter who wasn't there who alleges he was emotionally and sexually abusive. Is there an arrest or criminal record ? If not, it was to taint the jury IMHO. It makes absolutely zero sense. She also asked the judge if she could bring the bailiffs treads. Totally above board. As an actual sexual assault survivor who has C- PTSD, it seems implausible to think after colliding on a ski slope in front of his daughter and others and supposedly the ski instructor, her first thought was immediately I am being sexually assaulting her. In front of Multiple people on an intermediate slope with both wearing heavy ski jackets, ski pants and likely a layer of cold weather gear. She said that to paint him as a bad guy. Wanted the jury to think he was a would be rapist. I also think saying" oh but wait he had a prior concussion and he is old so it is his medical issues are due to aging. Again let's paint him as a crazy old man. My dad had numerous concussions as a college football player - yet has been a scratch golfer since his 30s. Someone crashed into him, his head hit the ice. He had a slow brain bleed and it ruptured a few years. He was right around Sanderson'a age when it happened. (A few years younger) He was not himself for over a year, he talked about suicide because he was so mad at himself for not immediately being better. He was so short tempered, it was hard to talk to him. The headaches everything all map. At the end of the day this is all hearsay. I did notice she whipped off those Dahmer glasses. The second she learned a photographer was taking pictures of her lol. |
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Post by Ladybug on Mar 27, 2023 11:16:46 GMT -4
I finally listened to her testimony. She's absolutely insufferable. She looks like she's constantly bemused by how stupid everyone is. And somebody should have videotaped her and pointed out to her what the expression on her resting face looks like because it's really bad. But her testimony itself makes sense and is perfectly believable. Yes, two things can be true. She can be annoying and pretentious, and she can also be telling the truth about what happened. That's where I am at. I dislike her, but not enough to think she deserves to pay for an accident she didn't cause. Has anyone (even Gwyneth) ever skied before? It would not be a Gwyneth event if she didn't bring her father into it! She testified that St. Bruce the Great learned to ski late in life, but loved it and got his kids skiing at a young age. She was an experienced skier but it didn't sound like she was really into skiing. The entire trip was planned for her and Brad Falchuk to introduce their kids to each other. She lost half a day skiing because of this incident, but she's not asking for compensation for that, just $1 and legal fees. But if she is really trying to prove he did it on purpose/sexual assault. A few things about this. One, she was asked if she was ever recognized on the ski slopes. Even with a ski suit, helmet, and goggles, she said occasionally people recognized her (debatable but she was under oath). Two, if I'm standing or skiing and someone's body presses fully against mine, I will be creeped out and wonder what the hell is going on. She also said he groaned when he hit her. I don't think her lawyers should have even broached this as a sexual assault, but I can understand a woman being very unsettled by a stranger coming into full body contact with her unexpectedly. She wasn't injured enough to need medical attention (just a massage, LOL), but she was pissed off and upset and I can understand that. Legal Bytes commentaryThe plaintiff is scheduled to testify today. |
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