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Post by batmom on Nov 8, 2021 13:10:15 GMT -4
My underlying point remains whether JJ is Canadian or American, since to non-Americans they have many similarities. *gasp* Bite your tongue! - sincerely, a Canadian |
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Post by lpatrice on Nov 8, 2021 22:19:02 GMT -4
My underlying point remains whether JJ is Canadian or American, since to non-Americans they have many similarities. *gasp* Bite your tongue! - sincerely, a Canadian Exactly! LOL. Americans and Canadians are not interchangeable and it’s a funny thing to say when one is also trying to paint someone as an unsophisticated cultural ignoramus….. |
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Post by Ridha on Nov 9, 2021 2:27:32 GMT -4
Batmom, noted  , I’ve visited Montreal (and loved it) and American cities and while they are of course quite different in many ways from each other they are also more similar to each other than say Europe or UK or the East. I certainly didn’t mean - or say - interchangeable but it’s a similarity of culture which I think your PM has himself referenced in speeches while in America. Likewise as a Pakistani I can certainly understand if someone from the West considered Pakistanis v similar to Indians. We ARE in many ways, even if not in all, and it would be much less of a culture adjustment (and it takes a certain kind of person to be prepared to do that adjustment) if I married or dated an Indian versus a Canadian, and similarly it takes a different level of adjustment to as a North American marry or date someone from Europe or UK, compared to North America. Exactly! LOL. Americans and Canadians are not interchangeable and it’s a funny thing to say when one is also trying to paint someone as an unsophisticated cultural ignoramus….. Ipatrice, 1. I didn’t say it, 2. I was not trying to “paint a picture of Joshua” at all, let alone as an “unsophisticated cultural ignoramus” (and it is not lost on me that the way you have phrased your comment is to try an imply that it is not JJ but me who is, which I think is quite a personal jab and not really on the topic). I have talked about MY previous *impression* of him (as not particularly cosmopolitan, and yet his dating choices do not bear this impression out). If my talking about my initial impression - while literally within the same passage musing about how that impression demonstrably wasn’t correct - of JJ or any celeb bothers you given your last 2 comments, then I am quite confused since once again that IS by definition what all of us to on these boards. We do not know these celebs. We form impressions based on our observations from afar. Our mileage varies on those subjective impressions. We discuss those different impressions we all have. Why was my commenting on this particular impression so objectionable? |
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Post by lordofthefries on Nov 9, 2021 13:48:38 GMT -4
Is ‘HRH Goop’ not Caucasian American just like Brad? Hardly Cosmopolitan credentials. Dude, what? Are you saying Americans can't be cosmopolitan? Is cosmopolitan now an intrinsic trait of some nationalities/ethnicities and not of others? |
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Post by Ridha on Nov 9, 2021 14:02:02 GMT -4
Is ‘HRH Goop’ not Caucasian American just like Brad? Hardly Cosmopolitan credentials. Dude, what? Are you saying Americans can't be cosmopolitan? Is cosmopolitan now an intrinsic trait of some nationalities/ethnicities and not of others? HOW did you get that from what I said? I gave the examples of George Clooney AND Angelina Jolie (both Americans as far as I know!) AS examples of people very comfortable with other cultures! The Goop comment that you have quoted above is in response to someone saying that Brad Pitt (who I had given as an example of someone who gave off the impression of perhaps relatively less likely to date outside his culture and more similar to how I had thought JJ was, rather than GC or AJ) had dated Goop. And I didn’t see how Goop was an example of BP dating outside of his culture. And as I have also stated above, dating outside of culture is not a good or bad thing, just something that some individual personalities (regardless of where they are from) are more likely to do, and some less. That is across the board in any country or culture. Anyway, defending myself is getting a bit exhausting, I guess I have a Chris Pratt quality in me on CPMOG whereby the most negative connotation gets put on whatever I say and I rub Greecies up the wrong way, so having rediscovered this forum after 14 years, I will go back to last month when I hadn’t. I enjoyed reading a lot of threads, and some discussions. Cheers. |
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Post by lordofthefries on Nov 9, 2021 14:38:26 GMT -4
Dude, what? Are you saying Americans can't be cosmopolitan? Is cosmopolitan now an intrinsic trait of some nationalities/ethnicities and not of others? HOW did you get that from what I said? I gave the examples of George Clooney AND Angelina Jolie (both Americans as far as I know!) AS examples of people very comfortable with other cultures! The Goop comment that you have quoted above is in response to someone saying that Brad Pitt (who I had given as an example of someone who gave off the impression of perhaps relatively less likely to date outside his culture and more similar to how I had thought JJ was, rather than GC or AJ) had dated Goop. And I didn’t see how Goop was an example of BP dating outside of his culture. And as I have also stated above, dating outside of culture is not a good or bad thing, just something that some individual personalities (regardless of where they are from) are more likely to do, and some less. That is across the board in any country or culture. Anyway, defending myself is getting a bit exhausting, I guess I have a Chris Pratt quality in me on CPMOG whereby the most negative connotation gets put on whatever I say and I rub Greecies up the wrong way, so having rediscovered this forum after 14 years, I will go back to last month when I hadn’t. I enjoyed reading a lot of threads, and some discussions. Cheers. I think you're using cosmopolitan when you intend to say outside of one's culture, hence why you're getting the responses you are. A common usage of cosmopolitan is to mean a sophisticated, polished, well-traveled person - which for all her faults, Goop definitely is, so, yes, you are going to rub people the wrong way if you say someone is not cosmopolitan by virtue of being "Caucasian American." |
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Post by Ginger on Nov 9, 2021 15:01:59 GMT -4
After they broke up, Brad Pitt himself objected to the very common media trope of the era that Gwyneth was so much more sophisticated than him, as well as much smarter. Brad had traveled around Europe extensively - more than Gwyneth had, at the time. He had four years of college behind him, compared to Gwyneth's 6 months. He was more literate than Gwyneth, whose "favorite books of all time" were notoriously all from her high school reading list. Brad didn't point out those things, but did say that because she'd gone to an East Coast prep school, she was much better at speaking the language of the elite than he was, but that didn't mean he was dumb. Correct he was.
As for Joshua Jackson, I don't know his whole story, but he's lived in New York City for many years, doing a lot of theater. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to connect with a French woman or a British woman and carry on a relationship successfully with a foot in both cultures.
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Post by hellsbells on Nov 10, 2021 7:21:20 GMT -4
I think people will see him as Pacey Witter, small town boy from the Creek, in perpetuity. (Hence the anti cosmopolitan bias against jackson.)
Remember when Katie Holmes first started dating TomCruise... how perplexed everybody was? Same reason. "Joey? From Dawson's Creek is dating Mission Impossible?"
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Post by Ridha on Nov 10, 2021 11:27:16 GMT -4
I think you're using cosmopolitan when you intend to say outside of one's culture, hence why you're getting the responses you are. A common usage of cosmopolitan is to mean a sophisticated, polished, well-traveled person - which for all her faults, Goop definitely is, so, yes, you are going to rub people the wrong way if you say someone is not cosmopolitan by virtue of being "Caucasian American." Argh ok this literal putting more words still in my mouth/keyboard especially bringing race or nationality into it is wrong enough that I had to respond. “If you’re going to say X you can expect Y”. I love how it’s stated so matter of factly that I said X when I said no such thing. Not cosmopolitan “by virtue of being Caucasian American”? If I may borrow your phrase; dude what?? And not only did I not say it, you can’t even claim I implied it, given that the two examples I gave of cosmopolitan (GC, AJ) ARE “Caucasian Americans” (a term that I am using in this thread for the first time only to quote you). Also no need to throw me a bone - I know what cosmopolitan means and I maintain that more cosmopolitan people are more likely to date outside their culture. Ipatrice and lordoffries It’s fine to disagree with whether you think JJ or Brad Pitt is sophisticated, but irresponsible and unfair to a) either take issue with someone talking about their impression of x celeb as not urbane (really? All the qualities dissected on the board and urbaneness or lack thereof gets this snotty response?) or b) inform someone they said something which they didn’t say! “Interchangeable” was another gem. And by the way, it was Brad not Gwyneth I was referring to as not cosmopolitan. Not a main point by any stretch but another indication you weren’t even reading what I wrote. Ginger and Hellsbells, I think you’re probably entirely correct that it was the Pacey Witter from a teeney show like Dawson’s thing that was influencing my impression in the case of JJ, and my not being aware of his years in theatre. Probably similar reasons for BP, since it was - rightly or wrongly - and as mentioned above a common media trope that Brad was less sophisticated. I agree in reality he may well be more so than Gywneth. And I thank you for being able to just discuss my impression of him as unsophisticated, just for what it was. |
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Post by lordofthefries on Nov 10, 2021 13:58:43 GMT -4
I think you're using cosmopolitan when you intend to say outside of one's culture, hence why you're getting the responses you are. A common usage of cosmopolitan is to mean a sophisticated, polished, well-traveled person - which for all her faults, Goop definitely is, so, yes, you are going to rub people the wrong way if you say someone is not cosmopolitan by virtue of being "Caucasian American." Argh ok this literal putting more words still in my mouth/keyboard especially bringing race or nationality into it is wrong enough that I had to respond. “If you’re going to say X you can expect Y”. I love how it’s stated so matter of factly that I said X when I said no such thing. Not cosmopolitan “by virtue of being Caucasian American”? If I may borrow your phrase; dude what?? And not only did I not say it, you can’t even claim I implied it, given that the two examples I gave of cosmopolitan (GC, AJ) ARE “Caucasian Americans” (a term that I am using in this thread for the first time only to quote you). Also no need to throw me a bone - I know what cosmopolitan means and I maintain that more cosmopolitan people are more likely to date outside their culture. Ipatrice and lordoffries It’s fine to disagree with whether you think JJ or Brad Pitt is sophisticated, but irresponsible and unfair to a) either take issue with someone talking about their impression of x celeb as not urbane (really? All the qualities dissected on the board and urbaneness or lack thereof gets this snotty response?) or b) inform someone they said something which they didn’t say! “Interchangeable” was another gem. And by the way, it was Brad not Gwyneth I was referring to as not cosmopolitan. Not a main point by any stretch but another indication you weren’t even reading what I wrote. Ginger and Hellsbells, I think you’re probably entirely correct that it was the Pacey Witter from a teeney show like Dawson’s thing that was influencing my impression in the case of JJ, and my not being aware of his years in theatre. Probably similar reasons for BP, since it was - rightly or wrongly - and as mentioned above a common media trope that Brad was less sophisticated. I agree in reality he may well be more so than Gywneth. And I thank you for being able to just discuss my impression of him as unsophisticated, just for what it was. As a response, I'm just going to quote you - I suggest you go back and read what you actually wrote. At this point, you're just straight up lying to say you are using "Caucasian American" for the first time to quote me. Joshua Jackson is not American; he’s Canadian. And I guess it’s a good example about not making assumptions about folks. And I would hardly call Diane Kruger a Eurosophisticat. And I never got the impression that Brad Pitt would be someone who was uncomfortable with other cultures; he’s always come across as fairly cosmopolitan - he also dated HRH GOOP. My underlying point remains whether JJ is Canadian or American, since to non-Americans they have many similarities. Assumptions based on the impression we get off folks is by definition a large part of what every poster does on this forum on a daily basis - given off course that we have never met the celebs in question. Is ‘HRH Goop’ not Caucasian American just like Brad? Hardly Cosmopolitan credentials. On the other points - YMMV. |
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, I’ve visited Montreal (and loved it) and American cities and while they are of course quite different in many ways from each other they are also more similar to each other than say Europe or UK or the East. I certainly didn’t mean - or say - interchangeable but it’s a similarity of culture which I think your PM has himself referenced in speeches while in America. Likewise as a Pakistani I can certainly understand if someone from the West considered Pakistanis v similar to Indians. We ARE in many ways, even if not in all, and it would be much less of a culture adjustment (and it takes a certain kind of person to be prepared to do that adjustment) if I married or dated an Indian versus a Canadian, and similarly it takes a different level of adjustment to as a North American marry or date someone from Europe or UK, compared to North America. 
