syve
Lady in Waiting
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Post by syve on Oct 1, 2020 14:57:27 GMT -4
I am a bit disappointed in Daniel Radcliffe, he literally owes everything to her. How many people owe everything to Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein? Should they never say anything bad about them? I know JK Rowling hasn't committed any crimes and isn't on a par, but I don't think that should people who have benefited from her work should stop from criticising her if she says something gross or offensive. |
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Post by lea1977 on Oct 1, 2020 15:09:11 GMT -4
I didn't say to stop criticizing her, where did you get that with my statement? He wants to make a point, never work with her again.
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Post by lordofthefries on Oct 1, 2020 15:13:57 GMT -4
In terms of how the cancellation of Rowling is going, her latest book was #1 in the UK and #2 in the US in its first week. It is on its way to become the best selling of her Cormoran Strike series, doubling the first week sales of her prior book.
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Post by Matilda on Oct 1, 2020 18:19:20 GMT -4
I am a bit disappointed in Daniel Radcliffe, he literally owes everything to her. How many people owe everything to Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein? Should they never say anything bad about them? I know JK Rowling hasn't committed any crimes and isn't on a par, but I don't think that should people who have benefited from her work should stop from criticising her if she says something gross or offensive. I don't think she should be mentioned in the same breath as Cosby or Weinstein. |
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Post by cubanitafresca on Oct 1, 2020 18:34:14 GMT -4
And I do judge JK Rowling for her opinions. Doesn't your belief system define you? I am all for judging her for her opinions. I do. I'm really sincerely disappointed in her stance on the issue. I'm also disappointed that she keeps coming back and doubling down on the issue. AND I take issue with the people who are making death threats and rape threats. I am a bit disappointed in Daniel Radcliffe, he literally owes everything to her. So for the rest of his life, he's not allowed to disagree with her? that doesn't seem right. He was a child when he worked for her. Now he's a grown man with opinions and beliefs of his own. One of them is a real passion for helping the LGBTQ community and working with the Trevor Project. He hasn't worked for her in almost 10 years. At this point, he's played 20+ parts that are not Harry Potter. He disagreed respectfully and he even tried to smooth things over with the people who were turning away from the book. So in effect, he was actually trying to help her at the same time. |
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Post by playswithsquirrels on Oct 1, 2020 21:18:16 GMT -4
I've read and reread everything JK Rowling has said (publicly) in regard to trans people, and I don't see anything she has said that was wrong or hateful in any way no matter how hard I try.
Trans people are trans people. Women are women. Men/men. My opinion. We should all have basic human rights along with our sex based rights, which are obviously (imo) especially (imo) important for women. Sex is real and matters, and trans people exist and matter. When did those statements become hateful, bigoted things to say? I find that line of thought troubling especially when it's coming from "my side" aka the left and feminists. This whole self-ID issue where a man can simply sign a piece of paper saying they're now a woman, no further effort required, and call it a day and then be allowed into women's supposed safe spaces has me shaking my head in disbelief and horror, honestly. Women being treated like the devil for saying hold on a second, women need to be able to gather and speak as women and about issues that affect only women, and have spaces only for women..is hate? Nah.
Women can't even have conversations about that now without being called hate-filled bigots who despise trans people or want all trans people dead and being told we will literally kill them with our words? That sets my teeth on edge because it's a horrible lie. Seeing the abuse thrown at JK online and seeing the little jabs at her on the shows I normally enjoy like Last Week Tonight and Samantha Bee, just randomly throwing abuse at her and lying about what she's said as if she said DIE TRANS PEOPLE DIE I HATE YOU is so upsetting to me and seems like just plain misogyny, because we all know it isn't JK or any other woman who is going to harm women or trans women. I hate seeing that from "my side" as women are still having to fight for our basic human rights.
*Hi! First post! Hope I did it right, even if my views aren't popular.
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Post by cubanitafresca on Oct 2, 2020 11:07:20 GMT -4
I don't see anything she has said that was wrong or hateful in any way no matter how hard I try. Trans people are trans people. Women are women. Men/men. With all due respect, that bold part right there? That's what wrong. It's the segregation of Trans people as "others" and not really male or female that's offensive. A trans woman IS a woman. No matter what your opinion is - they are women. Women can't even have conversations about that now without being called hate-filled bigots who despise trans people or want all trans people dead and being told we will literally kill them with our words? That sets my teeth on edge because it's a horrible lie. You have a group of people who are at high risk of being victims of violence. They are frequently attacked, beaten, and murdered. When people make comments like yours "othering" trans people, it gives permission to others to treat trans-women as less than, to discriminate against them and to attack them. Throughout history anytime we have othered people (Native Americans, African Americans, Latinos, Muslims, LBTQ) We dehumanize them and make them a target for horrible treatment. JK Rowlings, of all people, as a WRITER knows the power of words and how damaging it can be to vulnerable groups. She wrote an entire storyline about house-elves, how they were othered and treated as less than, and the high cost of that. She should know better. We all should know better. |
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Post by Oxynia on Oct 2, 2020 23:01:58 GMT -4
Let's dial it back a bit, please. This is starting to heat up again and it's a worry. Have your say, respectfully, but do not call out or jump on other Greecies for their opinions. Thank you.
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Post by lpatrice on Oct 3, 2020 1:06:04 GMT -4
I don't care about rich writers getting blowback for their opinions on social media. JK Rowling can handle herself and so can the rest. What the letter addresses is something that has increasingly bothered me over the past several years, and especially since Trump's election. As someone who identifies as liberal, I believe that the ever-increasing enforcement of rigid adherence to dogma is destroying the liberal movement from within. When Trump supporters say the Democratic party is the party of intolerance, it's gotten to the point where I have to agree with them, and I hate agreeing with Trump supporters. The signers of the letter are being largely ridiculed on social media, mostly for being "old" and "irrelevant". But I respect a lot of people on that list, and I don't think their concern is about having to deal with personal criticism. (Except maybe that one lame, lame woman who issued a groveling apology on twitter for signing the letter after she realized it wasn't very popular.) I think they are expressing concern about the health of our society, and I agree with them. I remembered amidst all of this talk about Rowling that people also tried to cancel her for supporting Johnny Depp. I was mad at her about that too, and I was wrong. The internet was wrong. Rowling was right. I wanted to "believe women" and not jump to the conclusion that someone I always kind of thought was a golddigger had fabricated abuse claims. I assumed that Rowling had no way of knowing what went on the Depp/Heard marriage. I didn't know that Johnny had copious amounts of solid evidence demonstrating that Amber was the one abusing him, and that people in his life were aware and had even witnessed some of Amber's abuse. It was a lesson. I know you posted this a while ago, but I agree completely. The term TERF needs to be retired yesterday and people need to stop calling people like JK Rowling transphobes. She's not a transphobe. Just like lesbians who don't want to date transwomen are not transphobes. Gay men who don't want to date transmen are not transphobes. Heterosexual women who want to date men whose gender identity is aligned with their biological sex are not transphobes. Heterosexual men who want to date women whose gender identity is aligned with their biological sex are not transphobes. As with everything, I feel like people have to take everything to the extreme. I had someone I know called a transphobe for simply pointing out that biologically there a differences between the male sex and the female sex; and you cannot ignore that regardless of one's gender identity. Gender is a social construct, sex is not. Stating facts these days (males do not menstruate, males cannot get pregnant, a female cannot get another female pregnant ) can get someone labeled a transphobe. It's exhausting and it does more harm than good. That's how people get radicalized and then they may actually turn into transphobes. |
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Post by ladyboy on Oct 3, 2020 6:45:38 GMT -4
So people get to post pretty bigoted opinions here, and when someone replies to them- pointing out pretty gently that those opinions are bigoted- THEN the moderator comes in to slap down discussion? And focuses on attacking other posters? Just to be clear - hateful, bigoted speech can stand, but any response directly addressing that is out of board’s rules?
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