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Post by prisma on Dec 21, 2019 10:55:23 GMT -4
I don’t think a woman could have pulled this. Tom and Lorenzo are always harping on actors who put little to no effort into dressing for the red carpet and stand proudly by female colleagues who are dressed to the nines. There’s such a double standard. This strikes me as the same kind of thing an actress would be crucified for but it’s ok for a man.
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technicolor
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Post by technicolor on Dec 21, 2019 16:07:14 GMT -4
This is only tangentially related to Driver, but: I was interested in the new Star Wars movie and made the mistake of wading into the fan reactions. Holy hell. I mean, all the movies have flaws.
But as a filmmaker you can't do anything right when the fandom is this...extremist. No matter what you do, large portions of the fandom will hate it and burn you. Don't they perceive that their frenzied reactions are actually sabotaging the movie making process? The whole cast and crew are faced with the constant bashing of these "fans". And it doesn't matter what decisions they make, somewhere a loud and obnoxious fan group will crawl out and tear them to shreds.
So if people are now disappointed with the new one, I'd argue that they contributed to the pressures that perhaps made JJ Abrams overly cautious and pandering.
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Post by aibohphobia on Dec 21, 2019 16:27:34 GMT -4
This is only tangentially related to Driver, but: I was interested in the new Star Wars movie and made the mistake of wading into the fan reactions. Holy hell. I mean, all the movies have flaws. But as a filmmaker you can't do anything right when the fandom is this...extremist. No matter what you do, large portions of the fandom will hate it and burn you. Don't they perceive that their frenzied reactions are actually sabotaging the movie making process? The whole cast and crew are faced with the constant bashing of these "fans". And it doesn't matter what decisions they make, somewhere a loud and obnoxious fan group will crawl out and tear them to shreds. So if people are now disappointed with the new one, I'd argue that they contributed to the pressures that perhaps made JJ Abrams overly cautious and pandering. I agree with some of your points. I do think that anyone working on a Star Wars project pretty much has a thankless job because of how the bad some of the fans can be especially related to the movies. So far the Disney+ series haven't drawn that much criticism yet from those fans, but that could be because all three Disney+ series are male lead with a popular character from the Original and Prequel trilogy, and another with a character from Rogue One which from my observations at Reddit seems to be go to favorite Disney era Star Wars movie for those that hated The Last Jedi because of what it did to Luke because Rogue One has the tacked on Darth Vader ending. I think it's just one group of fans that are the worst though and will complain no matter what, but instead of just ignoring them, Disney seemed to go the complete opposite with TROS and gave into them. Sorry more spoilers. {Spoiler}Poor Loan Tran who suffered so much abuse from certain "fans," role has been reduced substantially.
Rey is now related to one of the most powerful male Force users ever in the movies.
Luke's role is basically pure fan service for the type of fans that complained about the treatment of his character in The Last Jedi.
Zorii and Jannah seem only to exist so that fans know that Poe and Finn definitely couldn't be gay.
And so on and on like that. The ironic thing is that Disney gave into those toxic fans, but they also hate it. In fact, I'm 100% positive that they were never going to like it at all, but instead of making a good product that sure those asshole fans would have loudly complained about but the majority of fandom and critics would be satisfied with like The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, they gave into those fans and The Rise of Skywalker really suffers for it imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 18:46:36 GMT -4
I think that the toxic fans decided ages ago that they were not going to like it, no matter what. The movie could’ve been everything they wanted and they would still rip it to shreds. That section of the fandom makes it really hard for us more casual fans to have discussions about the movies online, I read so many Twitter threads 2 years ago where people who dared to admit that they liked TLJ got epically flamed just for liking it.
Topic: I have never really been able to see the hot with Adam Driver, and I refuse to believe that people as attractive as Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford would produce someone that homely.
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Post by Mutagen on Dec 22, 2019 8:46:19 GMT -4
Star Wars has a major "unpleasable fanbase" problem, but my sense after the Force Awakens is that people got really excited. What's Rey's parentage? Is Finn force-sensitive? What the heck happened to Han and Leia's family? Where did Luke go? People were really excited about these questions. The movie right after that, Rogue One, has one of the highest audience scores of any Star Wars movie (it is higher than even Return of the Jedi), and that movie has a female lead and not a single white man in the main crew of heroes, except the voice of the robot. The toxic side of the fanbase was always there and I don't want to minimize that, but only a few years ago, it was really drowned out by how much goodwill there was for the franchise.
The turning point really was The Last Jedi, and I think regardless of where you fall on that movie, it killed off a lot of that speculation and excitement. My opinion -- and I am saying this without having seen the Rise of Skywalker so this isn't based on any spoilers and could totally be wrong -- is that unlike Marvel, there was pretty clearly no roadmap for the movies were going, and by swerving back and forth they've managed to piss off just about everybody.
Speaking of Adam Driver and toxic fans, the aggressive "Reylo" fans are up there with the most stereotypical neckbeards as far as acting like entitled pieces of shit goes, and often cloak their opinions in feminist language (where "feminism" = "I am a woman and I ship this, so not giving it to me is offensive" apparently). They've gone after Driver's wife in real life, harassed Daisy Ridley for the crime of having a boyfriend and been unbelievably racist to John Boyega for daring to portray a character who might be a threat to their ship. To be honest I was surprised that Adam Driver was in the news for walking off NPR related to "Marriage Story" promotion, and not for flipping out on some asshole fan.
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Post by Coffeecakes on Dec 24, 2019 4:16:34 GMT -4
I think Adam is a good actor, but so damn ugly I literally wince when they do those close ups in Star Wars. The fact they're trying to make him a leading man is huge wtf. An actress anywhere that ugly would never get that opportunity.
Also his whole walking out of the interview is pure drama queen territory. If it would have been a woman especially a woman of color, the amount of people going in would be out of this world. But suddenly the discussion is he wasn't coddled enough when he was in fact more than accomodated. Was NPR supposed to give a him a blankie and some snacks while the clip was playing?
And the clip is played as he is there to promote the movie. People hear or see a good scene, they will be more inclined to see the movie not just hearing the actor and interviewer discussing the movie. That shouldn't go out the window because of his ugly, delicate ass.
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Post by Millis on Dec 24, 2019 9:25:46 GMT -4
I think Adam is a good actor, but so damn ugly I literally wince when they do those close ups in Star Wars. The fact they're trying to make him a leading man is huge wtf. An actress anywhere that ugly would never get that opportunity. Also his whole walking out of the interview is pure drama queen territory. If it would have been a woman especially a woman of color, the amount of people going in would be out of this world. But suddenly the discussion is he wasn't coddled enough when he was in fact more than accomodated. Was NPR supposed to give a him a blankie and some snacks while the clip was playing? And the clip is played as he is there to promote the movie. People hear or see a good scene, they will be more inclined to see the movie not just hearing the actor and interviewer discussing the movie. That shouldn't go out the window because of his ugly, delicate ass. I find him very attractive. I've said it before, different strokes for different folks. I also think there are plenty of actresses that are not conventionally attractive, but are perceived as such due to a combination of Hollywood glamour and personality. Juliette Lewis is one that comes to mind. I'm sure there are many others if I put my mind to it!
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Post by Ladybug on Dec 24, 2019 13:40:35 GMT -4
He is not conventionally handsome but I do find him attractive at times because of his voice and the way her carries himself. There were a few shots in TROS that were his worst angles.
I can’t get over how good he was in A Marriage Story. Even when his character was being a complete dick, I could relate to him.
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Post by prisma on Dec 24, 2019 14:35:40 GMT -4
Isn't "sexy ugly" the term for what he is? I don't think he's objectively good looking but I find him sexy as hell watching him act. He has a magnetism.
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Post by smitten on Dec 24, 2019 15:14:34 GMT -4
I think he's totally hot. Part of it is totally his voice. And yeah he has charisma to spare.
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